Originally posted by snoopdogg
Like what? Failing to stop a press and later admitt you were in over your head? Lift the corner of a island that was teetering with the help of Sue Richards? And while fllying in the process? Those are all impressive not as impressive as people make them out to be.Lifting a submarine that weighed thousands of tons and the bottom of the ocean is pretty impressive.
1) He didn't fail to lift the press
2) That Island has a mountain on it and Sue even stated at one point that he was lifting it, plus Reed had her remove her shields for a little while so that she could place them in a different area.
Also, Simon doesn't get any extra boost from flying, in fact his rockets were being powered by his own bio-energy
There is also the time his fight with Hyperion was causing shockwaves on the planetoid they were on, the time he overpowered Thor during a sparring session and the time he and a few other Avengers caught and then threw a compressed Island that was stated to weigh millions of tons.
Originally posted by Silent Master
1) He didn't fail to lift the press
2) That Island has a mountain on it and Sue even stated at one point that he was lifting it, plus Reed had her remove her shields for a little while so that she could place them in a different area.Also, Simon doesn't get any extra boost from flying, in fact his rockets were being powered by his own bio-energy
There is also the time his fight with Hyperion was causing shockwaves on the planetoid they were on, the time he overpowered Thor during a sparring session and the time he and a few other Avengers caught and then threw a compressed Island that was stated to weigh millions of tons.
1. He didn't stop the press and was yelling for help and later admitted he was in over his head.
2. The island was teetering. He didn't have anywhere near close to the full weight plus he had the aid of his jet pack and Sue Richards.
3. Stopping the weight of the compressed island is cool but Vision was there also. I'm not gonna go around using that as a feat for Vision especially when the God of Thunder was there.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
1. He didn't stop the press and was yelling for help and later admitted he was in over his head.
The press was motorized, he did stop it from moving, it's just that he was afaird he wouldn't be able to move fast enough to get out of the way if he let go.
2. The island was teetering. He didn't have anywhere near close to the full weight plus he had the aid of his jet pack and Sue Richards.
The Island was at over a 45 degree angle and Simon lifted it back to almost level, Sue even stated he was going the lifting.
3. Stopping the weight of the compressed island is cool but Vision was there also. I'm not gonna go around using that as a feat for Vision especially when the God of Thunder was there.
Simon is stronger than Vision, plus Wonderman has at least one feat of overpowering Thor.
BTW, Mageto lifted Asteroid M
Originally posted by Silent MasterSimon may have slowed the press down but he didn't do it completely or he would have never said he was in over his head.
The press was motorized, he did stop it from moving, it's just that he was afaird he wouldn't be able to move fast enough to get out of the way if he let go.The Island was at over a 45 degree angle and Simon lifted it back to almost level, Sue even stated he was going the lifting.
Simon is stronger than Vision, plus Wonderman has at least one feat of overpowering Thor.
BTW, Mageto lifted Asteroid M
Sue was still there helping. Pretty much any Class 100 who can fly would have been able to do that.
There's also the feat where Simon couldn't lift one of Thor's weights at the Avengers mansion.
Originally posted by Silent MasterYou must have your blinders on.
He stopped the press, Sue stated that he was the one doing the lifting and for a short time she removed her shields which means he was suporting the entire weight.There are more feats of Simon holding his own and even Ko'ing Thor than there are feats of him being shown as much weaker.
Are you saying Simon is in Thor's league?
BTW why don't you think Ult. Colossus is stronger than 616?
1) In his first appearance in Avengers Simon knocks Thor down a hole and places a boulder on top that Thor is unable to move.
2) Marvel Comics Presents, is able to KO Thor after a little help
3) Avengers Annual, is able to momentarily overpower Thor in a sparring session
Simon was in Thor's league for most of his career.
Originally posted by Silent MasterWell, whatever. Lucky for you I am not interested in this debate.
1) In his first appearance in Avengers Simon knocks Thor down a hole and places a boulder on top that Thor is unable to move.2) Marvel Comics Presents, is able to KO Thor after a little help
3) Avengers Annual, is able to momentarily overpower Thor in a sparring session
Simon was in Thor's league for most of his career.
I am interested in why you think 616 Colossus is stronger than Ult.
Originally posted by Silent MasterWhat has 616 Colossus done to make you think he's stronger than Ult. Please list the feats. If you can sway me or convince me more power to you. I just want to know what people base this off of.
Has better feats than Ult Colossus.Are you really going to disagee and make me start listing strength feats for the Hulk?
Originally posted by Silent MasterI see. So you're basing it off of Colossus' fights with Juggernaut and Hulk?
I already told you, he's managed to stand up to people that have better feats than Ult Colossus.Lighting feats aren't all that matter, or are you going to claim that Ult Colossus is stronger than Mangog?