Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Well, too bad he already did...Just because there were PIS instances in the book doesn't mean we can ignore the whole issue, y'know? We would have to reject so many feats then it isn't even funny.
1. he never went berserk fighting cap or spiderman
2. I love how you just pick and choose what feats you want to use. I got bashed when I used ennis showings.
Originally posted by Starscream M
1. he never went berserk fighting cap or spiderman2. I love how you just pick and choose what feats you want to use. I got bashed when I used ennis showings.
1. That's Battlehammer's opinion and I respectfully disagree with it.
2. Like I said before, we can't just ignore the whole comic/run. Everything needs to be discussed.
Wolverine didn't break the webbing, he just tore down the wall. Is he strong enough to do that? Sure.
Spidey caught his wrists. Did he get free on strength alone? No, he kicked him in the nuts the way you see in the scan. Is he fast and skilled enough to do that? Definitely.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWspidersense didn't work though, which is PIS.Spidey caught his wrists. Did he get free on strength alone? No, he kicked him in the nuts the way you see in the scan. Is he fast and skilled enough to do that? Definitely.
also, parker wasn't really trying to fight logan
third, parker has steve to help in this match.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWThat wasn't even a fight when Logan kicked him.. but ok. Ofcourse that's just imo.
Well, too bad he already did...Just because there were PIS instances in the book doesn't mean we can ignore the whole issue, y'know? We would have to reject so many feats then it isn't even funny.
Because he was standing on a collapsing rooftop...? He just got hit by a rocket, he had a shock.
He doesn't have webbing here. Even if they did that, which is not likely to happen IMO, they'd eventually tire. Wolverine wouldn't. Let's just agree to disagree.
Originally posted by Starscream M
spidersense didn't work though, which is PIS.also, parker wasn't really trying to fight logan
third, parker has steve to help in this match.
So every time Parker got hit it's bcause SS didn't work? Ah, you mean the bomb thing. Well, the potency of the spider sense depends on the writer... same about the healing factor... as good/bad as the story needs it to be. Although I agree, that was PIS. So was DD dropping Logan with a throat strike. Even before the HF upgrade he didn't go down after a hit like that.
Doesn't mean he wanted a kick to the balls.
Yeah and Wolverine is all but unKOable in this fight thanks to vibranium protecting his skull.
Originally posted by Starscream MUnfortunately i am... sorry dont have scans but pretty much every Ennis books with either Logan, DD or Spider-man was clearly written to make them all look like complete idiots, when Punisher ran Wolverine over Logan was screaming like japanese schoolgirl... ❌
ahahaha are you serious? anyone have scans? 😆
Originally posted by SamZED
That wasn't even a fight when Logan kicked him.. but ok. Ofcourse that's just imo.
But it is true that everyone in that book were acting SO out of character. Shock or no shock I dont see Wolverine screaming like a girl, also he went berserk because Punisher said that he's short..
Originally posted by SamZED
Plus he was in a midleap which kinda makes his strength a non-factor and his weight alone isnt enough to hold Logan.
Wasn't my intent to use it as a display how their fight would go. Just that grabbing his wrists is not necessarily a good idea.
He decided to use his agility in order to catch Logan's wrists, on the ground it would be much harder.
Originally posted by Starscream M
spiderman has the strength to easily rip wolverine's windpipe out
And that is somehow supposed to knock him out? Maybe if he repeated that enough times.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
So every time Parker got hit it's bcause SS didn't work? Ah, you mean the bomb thing. Well, the potency of the spider sense depends on the writer... same about the healing factor... as good/bad as the story needs it to be.
I disagree if the SS doesn't kick in it's PIS, the equivalent to the HF would be that Wolverine simply wouldn't have a HF and that IIRC never happend, a SS is just something that writers more easily forget than a HF.
Originally posted by SamZED
Unfortunately i am... sorry dont have scans but pretty much every Ennis books with either Logan, DD or Spider-man was clearly written to make them all look like complete idiots, when Punisher ran Wolverine over Logan was screaming like japanese schoolgirl... ❌
Punisher is like Batman sometimes 😉
Originally posted by Parmaniac
I disagree if the SS doesn't kick in it's PIS, the equivalent to the HF would be that Wolverine simply wouldn't have a HF and that IIRC never happend, a SS is just something that writers more easily forget than a HF.
Its sensitivity and timing fluctuates though, doesn't it?
Originally posted by Starscream M
ahahaha are you serious? anyone have scans? 😆
http://de.tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2zjl4k8&s=6
http://de.tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2gwb061&s=6
Originally posted by Parmaniacthank you!
http://de.tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2zjl4k8&s=6
http://de.tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2gwb061&s=6
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWNot the same mind he would be in a forum. He's merely trying to calm him down. If I recalled he restrained Wolverine rather easily in the MK mini.
Sorry, I'm not buying.1. http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/6610/max0006gn9.jpg
2. http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/3867/max0008zb6.jpg
credit to jin
Also when you are restraining someone from the wrists you do it from the behind and not the front. 😛
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Not the same mind he would be in a forum. He's merely trying to calm him down. If I recalled he restrained Wolverine rather easily in the MK mini.
And Wolverine was toying with him in their first fight.
MK mini? Kirkman? Wolverine got free from the webbing fairly quickly.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Also when you are restraining someone from the wrists you do it from the front and not behind. 😛
Spidey's intelligent fighting techniques are legendary.
Sorry in my previous post I meant grab from behind and not the front.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWWhich first fight? Not secret wars? Meh, I'm not about to do another Wolverine vs Spiderman circle.
And Wolverine was toying with him in their first fight.MK mini? Kirkman? Wolverine got free from the webbing fairly quickly.
Spidey's intelligent fighting techniques are legendary.
Are you and I talking about when they visited Aunt May and he restrained them from killing those people. He doesn't have the strength to get out of the webbing without using his claws with leverage.
He does think on the fly pretty well. It doesn't take a genius to grab someone from behind. Grabbing someone from the wrists in the front just leads to you getting kicked in the nads. Either way doesn't take away from my point that in a forum he won't be trying to "calm him down" and if grabbed properly Logan has no way to get free from someone far far stronger than him.
