Flash (Wally) vs Thor (Limited Flight)

Originally posted by Starscream M
what could he do with Mjolnir to stop a nonjobbing Flash?

First of all, if Thor is being allowed 60 seconds of flight, I'm presuming he will be able to act upon this option. Once he's in the air...

Like Surfer, Thor has an open powerset. Flash does not. Regardless, Flash can do a helluva lot of things with his more limited powerset. That being so, imagine what a nonjobbing, open-powerset character could do. Thor, eg, blankets the area with energy absorption, and because it's done with "magic" (I hate "magic," but now I'll argue for its "advantages"😉, it bypasses physical/transdimensional/whatever (read: speedforce) laws.

Has Thor ever actually done such a feat? IDK. Could he? Why not? It's consistent with an open powerset of his caliber.

Basically, what I'm saying is, all else being equal, the guy with more options (and in Thor's case, more sheer wattage capacity) should win.

As in many times when I've debated for the Surfer, this may come down to what's allowed because it's actually been shown on panel (a more literal interpretation of an open powerset) VS what may be inferred because it's consistent with what's been shown on panel.

I prefer inference. I think it's reasonable with open powersets.

Wally take away Thor speed and make him completely unable to move..END..

Flash simply punches Thor out using his faster than Daredevil, Mongoose, Spider-Man, Gamora, and Wolverine speed.

Originally posted by Mindship
This is my thinking...

First of all, if Thor is being allowed 60 seconds of flight, I'm presuming he will be able to act upon this option. Once he's in the air...

Like Surfer, Thor has an open powerset. Flash does not. Regardless, Flash can do a helluva lot of things with his more limited powerset. That being so, imagine what a nonjobbing, open-powerset character could do. Thor, eg, blankets the area with energy absorption, and because it's done with "magic" (I hate "magic," but now I'll argue for its "advantages"😉, it bypasses physical/transdimensional/whatever (read: speedforce) laws.

Has Thor ever actually done such a feat? IDK. Could he? Why not? It's consistent with an open powerset of his caliber.

Basically, what I'm saying is, all else being equal, the guy with more options (and in Thor's case, more sheer wattage capacity) should win.

As in many times when I've debated for the Surfer, this may come down to what's allowed because it's actually been shown on panel (a more literal interpretation of an open powerset) VS what may be inferred because it's consistent with what's been shown on panel.

I prefer inference. I think it's reasonable with open powersets.

Sound like you are reaching badly...........

There not equal in the least, one character consistently move vastly faster then the other.

Meh, I was re-reading through Wally's appearances and with C.I.S on? I'd give Thor 7/10 and even Hulk maybe a split or even 6 out of 10 against Wally (And I love Wally as much as I love Thor.). He doesn't always get tagged, unless he slows down etc. but it's happened plenty enough times that Thor can win just a few with some omni-directional lightning, tornadoes, and devastating earth quakes. It basically should be impossible with his Flash sense (What I nick named his automatic reactions to danger. Meaning you can shot him in the back of the neck from behind when he isn't expecting it and is slowed down, but automatically his speed kicks in, freezing everything. It's happened more than once. It's like his own, freeze time when in danger spider sense.).

That being said, Wally West beats Thor if they use their power sets in the way they can. Thor might have nanosecond reaction time, but Wally casually reacts at the attosecond speed. He blitzes Thor with countless Infinite Mass Punches, uses his speed stealing all before Thor can even think of getting off the ground. Throw in Superman, and they might win 1 out of 10, but I'd still be hard pressed to give them that and that's if Wally takes it easy. Even if Thor starts out in the air, Wally West unlike the other Flash's can actually fly and run in space etc. so it doesn't help.

Originally posted by Konton
Give Wally a microsecond and he lays out Thor in one shot.

Based on what?

Unless Thor destroys the battlefield very quickly, Wally wins imo.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Meh, I was re-reading through Wally's appearances and with C.I.S on? I'd give Thor 7/10 and even Hulk maybe a split or even 6 out of 10 against Wally (And I love Wally as much as I love Thor.). He doesn't always get tagged, unless he slows down etc. but it's happened plenty enough times that Thor can win just a few with some omni-directional lightning, tornadoes, and devastating earth quakes. It basically should be impossible with his Flash sense (What I nick named his automatic reactions to danger. Meaning you can shot him in the back of the neck from behind when he isn't expecting it and is slowed down, but automatically his speed kicks in, freezing everything. It's happened more than once. It's like his own, freeze time when in danger spider sense.).

That being said, Wally West beats Thor if they use their power sets in the way they can. Thor might have nanosecond reaction time, but Wally casually reacts at the attosecond speed. He blitzes Thor with countless Infinite Mass Punches, uses his speed stealing all before Thor can even think of getting off the ground. Throw in Superman, and they might win 1 out of 10, but I'd still be hard pressed to give them that and that's if Wally takes it easy. Even if Thor starts out in the air, Wally West unlike the other Flash's can actually fly and run in space etc. so it doesn't help.

Based on what?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Unless Thor destroys the battlefield very quickly, Wally wins imo.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Sounds responsible, but with CIS on how likely is it for Thor to uses Omni-directional lightning, tornadoes and earth quakes? It seems even more unlikely for that to occur that Flash being hit, in a comic. Especially since Thor tends to fight one dimensionally against foe's unless they also posses powerful range option and are them self using it.

The thread starter said they have knowledge of the others power set didn't he? Thor would bust out omni-directional lighting, tornadoes etc. the moment the match begins. Wally being the character he is, wouldn't bust out dimension dumping, speed stealing shit from the get go. Thor's killed a dozen regular humans because they nuked him and attacked Asgard. Wally just isn't going to win this with C.I.S on. Isn't brutal enough in my opinion. I mean if, knowing a character's power set alone allowed him to stomp said character, than he'd have no problem with say someone like Weather Wizard, or Captain Cold.

Without it? I don't see how he can lose.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
How does blasting Juggernaut have to do with hitting flash?

Thor consistent speed shown in comics is not closes to that of Flashes. Even Thor best speed feats can't touch Flashes. Flash is vastly faster then Thor is and it not likely Thor going to be landing any hits before he knocked the **** out.

Also how the hell does keeping an eye on hermes equate to hitting Flash? Or did you actaully think Hermes was in the same league as Flash is in speed?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The thread starter said they have knowledge of the others power set didn't he? Thor would bust out omni-directional lighting, tornadoes etc. the moment the match begins. Wally being the character he is, wouldn't bust out dimension dumping, speed stealing shit from the get go. Thor's killed a dozen regular humans because they nuked him and attacked Asgard. Wally just isn't going to win this with C.I.S on. Isn't brutal enough in my opinion. I mean if, knowing a character's power set alone allowed him to stomp said character, than he'd have no problem with say someone like Weather Wizard, or Captain Cold.

Without it? I don't see how he can lose.

WTF is wrong with you?

Originally posted by Mindship
Thor, eg, blankets the area with energy absorption, and because it's done with "magic" (I hate "magic," but now I'll argue for its "advantages"😉, it bypasses physical/transdimensional/whatever (read: speedforce) laws.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The thread starter said they have knowledge of the others power set didn't he? Thor would bust out omni-directional lighting, tornadoes etc. the moment the match begins. Wally being the character he is, wouldn't bust out dimension dumping, speed stealing shit from the get go.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor's killed a dozen regular humans because they nuked him and attacked Asgard. Wally just isn't going to win this with C.I.S on. Isn't brutal enough in my opinion. I mean if, knowing a character's power set alone allowed him to stomp said character, than he'd have no problem with say someone like Weather Wizard, or Captain Cold.

Without it? I don't see how he can lose.

Originally posted by Starscream M
but can Thor really blanket an entire planet with energy attacks? I kinda doubt it.

On a side note though I think Thor's damage soak is being kinda overlooked here.

When it comes to blunt force trauma like the only kind of damage Flash can really do Thor tends to be very hard to take down.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Unless Thor destroys the battlefield very quickly, Wally wins imo.

and no matter how quickly thor destroys the battlefield, it would be eons for Wally

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Sound like you are reaching badly...........

There not equal in the least, one character consistently move vastly faster then the other.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
...Wally West unlike the other Flash's can actually fly and run in space etc. so it doesn't help.

Originally posted by Starscream M
but can Thor really blanket an entire planet with energy attacks? I kinda doubt it.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
He can't give the opt.

ah, oki doki.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
I dont think Thor would do that any more then Flash would start out with speed stealing. I think cis prevents either. Thor knows Herc, Hulks ect and yet he insists going into melee combat, what makes you think fighting Wally would be any different?

Being more willing to kill does not make Thor win. Thor regardless of the fact he has killed in the past is not going to kill another hero with CIS on. CIS would prevent such actions from Thor. When was the last time you saw Thor willing try and kill a hero?

Because Thor knows he can take either Hercules or Thor, and we've seen against both, that when he needs to, he will end it with his power set like when he dropped both with some lightning.

I didn't say he'd kill Wally. He wouldn't just kill an innocent. I meant that if I had to pick? I'd say Thor using lightning to take Wally out is more likely than Wally using speed steal or infinite mass punches at faster than light blitzes to take Thor out.

Originally posted by Mindship
Granted. My argument would carry more weight with some on-panel evidence to back up the inference. I was hoping someone more knowledgable about Thor would provide that (translation: laziness doesn't pay).

But Flash is (by comparison) a 1-trick pony. They are not equal in the least in that one character is also more versatile (and overall more powerful) than the other (at least, that's always been my impression).

Except that one trick is extremely versatile. He can pretty much stop time, warp demension, take possession of speed, steal speed, increase his force, vibrate at increadable speed to increase the damage of his punches as well as the type of damage ect. Thor not more powerful. One can have many different powers, but thats means very little when there opponent one power can do jsut as many things and posses more damage out put and defense.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
He can pretty much stop time