Odin and Thanos vs Monarch and Superman Prime

Started by Warlord5 pages
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Monarch is Quantum energy, that won't work. His matter manipulation is nothing to laugh at either.

when has he shown matter manipulation?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Lets not forget.. Odin's attack are mystical/magical in nature and could effect Prime. Plus, Odin or Thanos imo could also create some form of a red sun to further weaken prime. I don't think it would outright beat him but probably weaken him enough so that he eventually went down. Furthermore, if Prime is done.. and Monarch's armor then breached.. He is the first one to die and thus the team/individual would win. I believe either Thanos or Odin could bust Monarch's armor. Whether they would or not, is what makes it a good fight.

1) Prime laughed off a blast from Mordru who IMO is in Odin's mystical weight class.

2) Guardian Amped Prime has more going for him than yellow sun radiation though that could potentially work.

3) I'm sure they'd have the power to breach Monarch's armor but that's not a win since neither of them could survive the resulting blast. Prime shouldn't have survived it either but hey its comics.

Originally posted by Warlord
when has he shown matter manipulation?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Lets not forget.. Odin's attack are mystical/magical in nature and could effect Prime.
prime was unfazed by mordru's attack. i'm hard-pressed to see odin's magics having much more of an affect.

Originally posted by The Nuul
what about matter manip vs Monarch?
doubt it'd do much. monarch was literally catching attacks from alternate versions of firestorm, green lantern, captain atom, etc.

Originally posted by Galan007

doubt it'd do much. monarch was literally catching attacks from alternate versions of firestorm, green lantern, captain atom, etc.

all of them being energy attacks though. not mentioned to try affect his molecular state.

still a timestop spell could work IMO

Originally posted by Galan007

doubt it'd do much. monarch was literally catching attacks from alternate versions of firestorm, green lantern, captain atom, etc.

none of whom are anywhere near Odin's level

Originally posted by Warlord
all of them being energy attacks though. not mentioned to try affect his molecular state.

still a timestop spell could work IMO


How do you manipulate Quantum energy? Its not matter.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
How do you manipulate Quantum energy? Its not matter.

fine by me.
Since he is living energy (although I don't remember it being mentioned) mater manipulation is not an option.

timestop ftw

Originally posted by Warlord
still a timestop spell could work IMO
it's possible. but how many on panel instances are there of odin freezing time mid-battle? [that's honestly a question, as i'm really not sure.]

furthermore, it would be rather difficult to accomplish the aforementioned tactic, with monarch constantly on the offensive. imo.

The real question is if Odin has the durability to survive Monarch's attacks.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
The real question is if Odin has the durability to survive Monarch's attacks.
he should...he is a high level skyfather after all

Originally posted by Galan007
it's possible. but how many times has odin frozen time mid-battle? [that's honestly a question, as i'm really not sure.]

furthermore, it would be rather difficult to accomplish the aforementioned tactic, with monarch constantly on the offensive. imo.

IMO there are many characters who have abilities that would render comics boring if they were using them consistently (Flash-speedsteal for example).

I don't really know how many times he has done it but I know he has the option.

And since a spell needs only an instant to be cast, Odin needs to form a powerful shield to hold them back only for that instant.

Would that happen in a comic?
Most likely not. They most likely trade energy bolts until one of them is down.

I'm just exploring possible alternatives here.

Another one is Monarch going kamikaze killing everyone but Prime and team DC wins (highly unlikely too)

Originally posted by Omega Vision
The real question is if Odin has the durability to survive Monarch's attacks.

he was trading what was said to be universe shattering blows with Seth so I guess yes

Originally posted by The Nuul
Didnt Odin turn Loki into a tree once? what about matter manip vs Monarch?

He removed Thor's mouth once. He's done several strange things to Loki. Turned many asgardians into animals.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
That probably won't work on Prime who's pretty resistant to any and all forms of magic and even if it did work the main problem is I don't see Odin beating Monarch without also killing himself in the process.

Prime has resisted magic from like, Black Adam? And that's magic added on to physical attacks. Aside from that it's the one time he took some weaker blasts from an incredibly unimpressive mordru. This is not evidence to support him somehow being able to resist Odin's attacks. He's no more or less resistant to that than he is to regular attacks. Which he, is highly durable against.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Monarch is Quantum energy, that won't work. His matter manipulation is nothing to laugh at either.

All beings are composed of energy. Whether it's a human or a being like Stardust. For someone with matter manipulation it doesn't matter(haw-som) what someone is made out of. But Monarch has matter manipulation on his own, it's a two-way street. Neither would be able to just transmute the other.

Originally posted by Warlord
he was trading what was said to be universe shattering blows with Seth so I guess yes
blatant hyperbole.

I'm waiting for a certain post related to matter manipulation...

Originally posted by Galan007
blatant hyperbole.

to put it that way then, if SBP can take his blows, I say Odin can as well

Originally posted by Warlord
to put it that way then, if SBP can take his blows, I say Odin can as well
not counting his final 'detonation', monarch only blasted prime [offensively] 4 different times. of those 4 energy attacks, the most impressive was compared to "a nuke", and failed to so much as destroy a city.
srsly

point being: we know monarch is capable of much more, based on his showings during the bludhaven affair, as well as "arena".

Originally posted by Galan007
not counting his final 'detonation', monarch only blasted prime [offensively] 4 different times. of those 4 energy attacks, the most impressive was compared to "a nuke", and failed to so much as destroy a city.
srsly

point being: we know monarch is capable of much more, based on his showings during the bludhaven affair, as well as "arena".

I don't think he hurt anyone at odin's level in the "arena".

You think Odin could not take Monarch's regular blows?

Originally posted by Warlord
I don't think he hurt anyone at odin's level in the "arena".

You think Odin could not take Monarch's regular blows?

i disagree.

i'm sure odin could take monarch's regular blows, initially. how long he could endure a repeated assault is the question.