Apocalypse and Thanos Vs. Wonder Woman and Prime

Originally posted by Zeuodin
What you don't get is most of the fight happened on earth.

The time to go to the sun and back would take up most of the fight.

Takes Light 8 mins from sun to earth. So the double trip would have been 16 mins. The fight lasted 2 minutes. Geesh.

In space, Superman can achieve light speed, hell, in space, rogue can achieve light speed. I'm not arguing about that, thats not the case. What I want you to show me is some combat speed that shows them moving at the speed of light; not us guessing but on panel evidence.

Name a speedster, someone that possess superspeed. How about this, I'll gather all the speedster up and I'm pretty sure I can find something SAYING that they can fight at the speed of light. Showing some kind of light speed statement.

Originally posted by Galan007
haven't you been listening? despite the fact that zoom had been previously owning the shit out of dianna while traveling at light speed, she apparently caught one hell of a second wind and managed to throw her lasso at light speed, thus catching zoom...

yea, dats wut happund! duryes

Originally posted by Zeuodin
The panels tell the story. She was being kicked around as she was blind. It's not until she uses a rock to make him move so she can HEAR him that she catches him. He certainly doesn't want to be lassoed and KO"d into the air.

Originally posted by carver9
In space, Superman can achieve light speed, hell, in space, rogue can achieve light speed. I'm not arguing about that, thats not the case. What I want you to show me is some combat speed that shows them moving at the speed of light; not us guessing but on panel evidence.

Name a speedster, someone that possess superspeed. How about this, I'll gather all the speedster up and I'm pretty sure I can find something SAYING that they can fight at the speed of light. Showing some kind of light speed statement.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
Iron man had no time reference. Please reset your debate button.

LOL, he need no time reference. You said that it take light 8 minutes to reach the sun, since we both know that iron man isnt CLOSE to the speed of light how long would you think it would have taken him to reach that sun. Then he reach it and flew back to earth within that same day, RIGHT BEHING SENTRY and gave shield and the battered (that just got through fighting the void) updates and then he helped with the injured.

With that said, Iron man can go the speed of light or close using your definition.

Originally posted by Galan007
well DOY!! that's why i agreed with you, silly boy. your opinion of the battle trumps ALL. 😉

Originally posted by Zeuodin
You and your statements mean nothing. The fight lasted under 2 minutes. And I'm sorry, Superman has flown Millions of times faster than light in space. You and your space theory. Where in the hell did you get this? OMG LOL. Wonder Woman even says he's already moving at Speed. The fight was clocked by max lord and on panel WW is saying he's already moving at Speed. The fight was at faster than light speed. no way to deny that.

So since superman flew million of times the speed of light, you are basically saying that he can combat at millions of time the speed of light? Is that what you are saying?

Originally posted by carver9
LOL, he need no time reference. You said that it take light 8 minutes to reach the sun, since we both know that iron man isnt CLOSE to the speed of light how long would you think it would have taken him to reach that sun. Then he reach it and flew back to earth within that same day, RIGHT BEHING SENTRY and gave shield and the battered (that just got through fighting the void) updates and then he helped with the injured.

With that said, Iron man can go the speed of light or close using your definition.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
The panels tell the story. She was being kicked around as she was blind. It's not until she uses a rock to make him move so she can HEAR him that she catches him. He certainly doesn't want to be lassoed and KO"d into the air.

And with this statement you are basically saying that wonder woman speed is either=to or>than Zoom. Is that what you are saying and if so that means that her speed is>>Flash since flash had to speed steal to keep up with him.

Originally posted by carver9
So since superman flew million of times the speed of light, you are basically saying that he can combat at millions of time the speed of light? Is that what you are saying?

Originally posted by Zeuodin
You said the same day. A day is 24 hours. There are many 8 minute intervals in a day. You are trying to invalidate the Speed in which Superman and Wonder Woman fought when it's referenced several times and shown, and the intent is clear with a flying feat from marvel. They Were fighting and being clocked as such. I think I'll have to just leave you with your assumption. It seems you think DC characters cannot fly or fight past Light. Absolutely ridiculous.

I guess you didnt read the part where Iron man flew down to check on the injured that was still on the ground after their fight with the void. That means that his flight took minutes. Its doesnt matter really because Ironman shouldnt be able to fly to the sun in a day either, its not in his power to do so but he did it because it was part of the story. The writer wasnt trying to say that Ironman can achieve light speed because he flew to the sun, Ironman was needed for THAT part of the story.

I dont think that they wrote Superman trying to throw wonder woman in the sun so that readers can say "oh, since he was about to kill her by throwing her into the sun, he can go light speed", it was part of the story and served a purpose. Thats when that statement of people reading into to much of the story comes into play and thats EXACTLY what you was doing.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
No. You have no idea what you are talking about. Prove it and I'll literally show you Circe blocking out every hero on earth from entering Washington DC.

Loki gets hes head cut off..
http://img359.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thor34422uz1.jpg

Loki defies the laws of physics..
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/jason-todd/Jimscomics030.jpg

Conjures up a Thor clone..
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/random%20comic%20feats/Journey_in_to_mystery085-08.jpg

Reality warping...
1) http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/random%20comic%20feats/Journeyintomystery088-08.jpg
2) http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/random%20comic%20feats/Journeyintomystery088-09.jpg
3) http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/random%20comic%20feats/Journeyintomystery088-10.jpg

Loki has give Seth a fight in Seth's own realm...
there are more...

Originally posted by galactusischere
Loki gets hes head cut off..
http://img359.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thor34422uz1.jpg

Loki defies the laws of physics..
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/jason-todd/Jimscomics030.jpg

Conjures up a Thor clone..
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/random%20comic%20feats/Journey_in_to_mystery085-08.jpg

Reality warping...
1) http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/random%20comic%20feats/Journeyintomystery088-08.jpg
2) http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/random%20comic%20feats/Journeyintomystery088-09.jpg
3) http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/random%20comic%20feats/Journeyintomystery088-10.jpg

there are more...

Originally posted by Zeuodin
No. I'm just invalidating you thinking that everyone can fly at light speed in space, like it's a big deal. Superman flies waaaaay faster than light. Also Superman has already fought at super speeds before. No sense in arguing the point.

Sentry, Beta ray bill, Super skrull, 100's of character have flown millions of miles before in a story because they are needed some place else and again, in space, I think that Superman along with thousands of others (that can breath in space) can achieve light speed by flying but again space flight and flight PERIOD dont = combat speed.

Originally posted by carver9
I guess you didnt read the part where Iron man flew down to check on the injured that was still on the ground after their fight with the void. That means that his flight took minutes. Its doesnt matter really because Ironman shouldnt be able to fly to the sun in a day either, its not in his power to do so but he did it because it was part of the story. The writer wasnt trying to say that Ironman can achieve light speed because he flew to the sun, Ironman was needed for THAT part of the story.

I dont think that they wrote Superman trying to throw wonder woman in the sun so that readers can say "oh, since he was about to kill her by throwing her into the sun, he can go light speed", it was part of the story and served a purpose. Thats when that statement of people reading into to much of the story comes into play and thats EXACTLY what you was doing.

And by the way, I never said that Superman or Wonder woman couldnt fight at high speeds what I said is that they cant fight at the speeds you are putting them at.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
What does that have to do with anything? What is your point? Loki hasn't bitched any elder Gods. So your point is what? Circe has.

Originally posted by carver9
Sentry, Beta ray bill, Super skrull, 100's of character have flown millions of miles before in a story because they are needed some place else and again, in space, I think that Superman along with thousands of others (that can breath in space) can achieve light speed by flying but again space flight and flight PERIOD dont = combat speed.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
Except we know the writers intent in the Wonder Woman story as well. He gave a distance and a time frame.

I'm not seeing that, I'm seeing he gave a time on the fight all in all, not what happened during the fight. If they were fighting at light speed, max lord wouldnt been able to see any of the fight.

Originally posted by galactusischere
He has given SETH a fight IN HES REALM while Loki was WEAKEND.
SETH THE SERPENT GOD OF DEATH.
Loki>=Karnila>Circe>=Amora