Originally posted by kevdude
Agreed, still going to take awhile for some people.
Sad thing is that some people (again mostly Marvel fans) will never accept it and make excuses for themselves in order to keep believing that the DS from Apokolips now is the same with DS from Final Crisis (the current, and real version of DS)
Originally posted by comicfan11
Not false at allIn issue 4 when DS starts materializing in Dan Turpin, Alan Scott's ring is shut down and it starts raining blood.
In issue 5 when he is fully reborn John Stewart says that something terrible is happening and the rest of the GL's fall in the singularity.
In issue 5 again Luthor and the Society look up in th sky as they see the sky burn and break. At that exact point when DS begins his speech Libra says "He is here. The Fifth world of DS has Begun"
That all happened WHEN DS was reborn, LONG AFTER the release of the ALE
Some question I have then.
1. When the ALE was broadcast.. did it not say time and space cracked? It did. So, we know the ALE has the power to crack time and space as specifically stated on panel. That wasn't DS waving his hand that was the ALE.
2. The war in heaven was also said to crack space was it not? Again something that DS didn't cause on his own
3. Wasn't it also stated that a lot of the destruction and collasping that occurred was because DS was manifesting himself in a place he didn't belong? Again not him waving his hand and have the power to collaspe the multiverse
4. Wasn't it also stated.. being that he died it created a void because in essence he is essential to the multiverse. Thus this also added to the multiverse collasping. Again not just him and his power.
You see all this stuff is what caused the Multiverse to collapse and it wasn't him and his own power. His power did play a role along with his incredible will. However, lets remember in order for any of this to happen he had to die.. thus the void.. manifestation where he didn't belong.. ale cracking time and space.. the war cracking space.. ALL of these thing had NOTHING to do with him directly causing the multiverse to collapse. Your acting like he waved his hand and started collasping the multiverse LOL. It's a complete joke. A lot of what happened wasn't because of him or his doing. PERIOD.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Some question I have then.1. When the ALE was broadcast.. did it not say time and space cracked? It did. So, we know the ALE has the power to crack time and space as specifically stated on panel. That wasn't DS waving his hand that was the ALE.
2. The war in heaven was also said to crack space was it not? Again something that DS didn't cause on his own
3. Wasn't it also stated that a lot of the destruction and collasping that occurred was because DS was manifesting himself in a place he didn't belong? Again not him waving his hand and have the power to collaspe the multiverse
4. Wasn't it also stated.. being that he died it created a void because in essence he is essential to the multiverse. Thus this also added to the multiverse collasping. Again not just him and his power.
You see all this stuff is what caused the Multiverse to collapse and it wasn't him and his own power. His power did play a role along with his incredible will. However, lets remember in order for any of this to happen he had to die.. thus the void.. manifestation where he didn't belong.. ale cracking time and space.. the war cracking space.. ALL of these thing had NOTHING to do with him directly causing the multiverse to collapse. Your acting like he waved his hand and started collasping the multiverse LOL. It's a complete joke. A lot of what happened wasn't because of him or his doing. PERIOD.
I never said he waved his hand.
This is you talking.
1. I already showed you that the actual collapse (the one that made it possible for Mandraak to emerge) happened LONG AFTER the ALE was unleashed with specific issue references
2. The war in heaven is actually glimpsed in Seven Soldiers Mister Miracle #1.
That caused the fall of the New Gods to their human selfs.
What caused the collapse of the multiverse is Darkseids death of the Boss Darkseid body and his rebirth in Dan Turpins.
Again I didn't say he waved his hand.
As for 3 & 4 we somewhat agree.
His pressence in the DCU started collapsing the multiverse.
That's who he is.
An extremely powerfull entity that by manifesting in our realm started wrecking all of reality.
His mere pressence DIRECTLY started collapsing everything.
Not the ALE or the war in Heaven or everything.
Maybe he couldn't control it.
But it was all under DS's own power and pressence since this is the FIRST TIME we actually see his true self AS STATED IN THE COMIC
Originally posted by comicfan11
I never said he waved his hand.
This is you talking.1. I already showed you that the actual collapse (the one that made it possible for Mandraak to emerge) happened LONG AFTER the ALE was unleashed with specific issue references
2. The war in heaven is actually glimpsed in Seven Soldiers Mister Miracle #1.
That caused the fall of the New Gods to their human selfs.
What caused the collapse of the multiverse is Darkseids death of the Boss Darkseid body and his rebirth in Dan Turpins.
Again I didn't say he waved his hand.As for 3 & 4 we somewhat agree.
His pressence in the DCU started collapsing the multiverse.
That's who he is.
An extremely powerfull entity that by manifesting in our realm started wrecking all of reality.His mere pressence DIRECTLY started collapsing everything.
Not the ALE or the war in Heaven or everything.Maybe he couldn't control it.
But it was all under DS's own power and pressence since this is the FIRST TIME we actually see his true self AS STATED IN THE COMIC
👆 Agreed. When they say things like "the war cracked space and time" they are using Darkseids Apokolips and Highfathers New Genesis as a metaphor for Darkseid winning and after Orion and his father battled DS planned for nearly anything even shooting Orion dead in the future so he would kill Orion as well. Darkseid did not care how badly Orion wounded him because well nobody else really could really compare to him (barring The Source of course, and a few others).