Originally posted by PhanterosHardly any offense but I think you believe in people's words fairly easily.
Seriously it was proven that the comics don't conflict and are canon, BT. so stop arguing about it.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroI'm thankful this didn't turn out a bash. Please explain to me (I prefer via pm) how a blog by a person by the name of "BIGMEX" with as I said before,
Thank you very much Saikyo Kid, Thats more than enough proof.I will say this Shutter Shack, The proof is in Street Fighter Eternal, why don't you go and by the book? I cannot redistribute licensed information, so you'll have to spend money.
As for the rest, my only real argument here was Udon's statement, and that goes for any of Capcom's lisences, However, the feats mentioned, as Saikyo pointed out to you, is actually part of the videogame's own story, you cannot be any more official than that. Darkstalkers Graphic File Encyclopedia is the most up-to-date source available direct from Capcom, even moreso that All About Capcom.
a domain of "capcom.com"which means nothing if it's a blog by someone who joined "Capcommunity", should be worth reading. Pardon me if I missed something from there, as I'm surprised the poster didn't refer to a specific spot on the blog (1/3 down the page, 3/4 down, etc.) for people to see, but if it's just the part he quoted to BT, then IIRC it is a blog by a contributor who joined "Capcomminuty", not someone who can speak for Capcom or any of its associates (anyone reading should read the last bit of this post before planning to say they're not the words of the blog's author but are things Capcom said and are just quoted by the author). I'm surprised anyone would call this official confirmation of some sort. As I said, if it's not in-game material, in the manual the game comes with (some have whole storylines) official game guide/magazine for the game or something that is produced by Capcom (not something typed up having the domain of....well I've said that enough) or an interview (this time about Darkstalkers and not Street Fighter, but thanks for the bit on Street Fighter) then it's not fully sufficient, but I'm not getting into an argument on what's sufficient and what isn't.
The fact the comics are depicting canon events is not telling much either. If they are just replicating said canon events/abilities then can someone show these events/abilities being initially presented in the games themselves? Hell, if they are then why the desperate use of these comics? Why not just the games some are claiming originally had said events and abilities? Because IIRC they're not there.
I think it's obvious depending on what side you're on, you're going to say this suffices as proof for canon abilities or the opposite. To be honest from the looks of it...I would not say it's allowable. Who is this author of the blog, Bigmex, and what's the reason what he says (or what he claims others, i.e. gaming companies say) is so important? Also if the graphic file is by Capcom, please show this as well in the pm. Not planning to stay as it most likely won't be pretty later on.
Originally posted by No End N Site
1. Your not makin' any sense. My point was, nothin' UDON did was any different from what Capcom did for the most part. UDON only took liberties when it was okay to do so. Example, Talbain meets up wit Felecia and they travel together, in the comic. Talbain and Felecia's stories are so vague in the game that this could have happened and the original story would not change. That's about the only thing UDON does that's not followin' canon, they allow certain characters to meet each other. Capcom has never once said who met who wit most of the cast, so UDON decided to do that. The meet ups are not canon as of yet but they still don't conflict with the story Capcom already established. UDON follows Capcom story almost exactly. But since you know very little, you don't know how the games play out. You should just be quiet and stay out of things you don't know about.2. 99% of the catz who see what your doin' will say your bein' a stubborn jackass who has a vendetta wit DS. Just go away...
3. Lame strawman, no one is sayin' that UDON is canon. They are portrayin' previous established canon in comic form. It has been established already that the abilities shown in the comics and not the events themselves are canon. What is so hard to grasp, why can't you understand somthin' so simple?
4. Demetri hasn't done anything in the comics, which is why I can't understand why you wanna argue about this. Every feat I named comes directly from the game. Out of 6 comics, Demitri has only appeared on about 10 pages throughout the series.
5. Belial died not cuz he broke off a piece of Makai, he died cuz he removed it from existence by blowing a hole into the dimension. He made a hole in the fabric of time and space and sent Demitri through it, castle and all. Belail's attack was so dense and powerful that it tore open the fabric of time and space like a wet paper towel. Belail is not just the land mass, HE IS time and space. With no way to close the rift, it became an open wound. He made "The Gate" bigger. Also, this is the same attack that killed Jedah 50 years previously, but only it was juiced up cuz he wanted to kill Jedah. Belial never meant to kill Demetri, there was no chance of him dying. He just wanted to banish him. It takes an attack that powerful to halt Demitri, and that's prePyron. None of these characters stand a chance. Also, Demetri doesn't need to drink blood to gain power, he only drinks it cuz it tastes good. He can heal all on his own, so he doesn't NEED to lure humans at all.
6. The feats I named earlier will blow all 3 of Demetri's opponents out of the water X 1000. And those feats come from the Graphic File.
1. There you go again, saying Udon is not canon at all, why did you bring up Udon at all if you know its not canon? the fact it makes sense or the fact Capcom did not detail the background behind its characters does not mean any blanks filled in are automatic canon. Claiming I know very little is one of those typical bullshit rants, although whats funny is your killing your own argument and all the arguments I have had with DS fanboys since I should know very much because you should be providing the evidence....thing is you are not providing anything.
2. 99% of the people who have any sense do not just follow blindly every statement DS fanboys spout about their beloved fiction, most events in DS are either poorly presented in pixelated images in which the story is not stated clearly OR is not stated at all in any detail, almost anything impressive is simply from fanboys like you who state thus and the rare impressive feat from Pyron.
3. Show me with a quote in bold the exact "establishment of canon abilities" please....
4. Fair enough, my mistake since i thought we were argueing about how the Udon comics had shown something about Demitri, either way the discussion of comics could be useful in the future if they are allowed in a vs concerning DS.
5. You talk as if we have any idea how his blast did this or whether or not time and space even difficult to tear a fabric through, by the sounds of it he just made a wormhole and sucked Demitri through it. Stupidly taking a piece of himself with it as well which damaged him. Is there any proof that Belial never meant to kill him? furthermore how does this help your case for Demitri if it was a weaker blast that crippled him? also talking about events before current Demitri is redundant, this is I guess the latest Demitri we are talking about in this thread, therefore its irrelvent if at his peak he survived a wormhole that destroyed him. It didnt halt Demitri, it blasted him from his home dimension so badly damaged that he was pretty much nothing more than an old 70's vampire villain 😆
6. What feats exactly? your just talking about soul powers and midnight bliss? hardly impressive....I bet by actual feats all of these characters could manhandle Demitri and some of them have powers that could stone him, blow him apart, infect him etc....
I'm thru playin Ring Around the Rosey wit these 2. This is a child's game I have no patience for.
1. In BigMex's blog, he "QUOTES" UDON, as to how they create the comic. Seein' as how Capcom-Unity/Capcommunity are sections of Capcom's official site and seein' as how BigMex is allowed to blog on Capcom's official site. I think he knows what he's talkin' about, they wouldn't let'im put up shit that wasn't true. Everyone who has seen this has said, "okay, your right". Out of the dozens who have seen thins link, you and BT are the only guys who continue to argue.
2. That's pretty damn stupid to say that UDON checks wit Cap of japan for SF and not for DS. 'Course you'll say it's not but that's to be expected. Also, you gotta be pretty damn dense if you think any of the feats named for Demitri come from the comic cuz Demitri is hardly in it and it's been repeated over and over that his feats ARE IN THE GOD DAMN GAME. How can you jump into a debate and expect to look like a decent mindful human being and not know about 50% of the subject. You have never played a DS game or read any material on the subject before this. That's ridiculous...
3. I aint PMing shit, I'm gonna post the info from the book and be done. If peeps still wanna argue after that, I'm gonna put the ignore list to good use.
You shouldnt have made it a childs game and should have coughed up actual evidence like an adult.
1. His blog does not actually claim udon are canon, it doesnt really claim much of anything useful in this thread.
2. Weve not seen any of these so called "feats" from the game so its no wonder we would think it has to be from the Comic.
3. Finally your actually going to post something?
Originally posted by No End N Sitehttp://www.gamefaqs.com/coinop/arcade/file/583725/25007
Demetri, EXTREMELY easily...1. He can hold the power of a bein' who has eaten a countless number of celestial bodies.
2. He can travel in and out of dimensions at will.
3. He can withstand attacks that can shatter large portions of time and space by sheer force alone.
4. He is immortal
5. He has instant and absolute regeneration
6. He can teleprt
7. Move fast enough to create after images or move fast enough that he appears to have vanished all together.
8. He has Pyron's power.
9. He can absorb the power of his foe to become stronger, instantly.
10 He has Midnight Bliss.
And the list goes on...
This is the DS plot guide, a translation and combination of the Graphic File and all About DarkStalker books...every thing posted comes from here.
1. "Demitri seized this opportunity to further gain strength and fought
against Pyron and consumed the alien life form. He was confident that he was strong enough to challenge and defeat the ruler of Makai, Belial."
Powerful enough to eat Pyron...
2. The guy goes in and out of the human world, Makai, and now the Majigen like nothing.
3. "Belial had won victory over Demitri by ripping Demitri's castle and the gate into human world. But damaging space itself had also damaged Belial's body."
Demitri can survive time space attacks.
4. Demitri is nearly 6000 yrs old wit no signs of aging.
5. He can explode into bats as special moves and come back together and his character sprite has an animation of him being cut in half and coming back together.
6. Special move
7. Special moves and his dashes. (Btw, if you wanna see him in-game, just youtube it)
8. That's already been proven above.
9. He absorbs the power of others in Midnight Bliss.
10. He turns dudes into chicks and chicks into other things and then steals their power. (youtube it)
Originally posted by No End N Site
http://www.gamefaqs.com/coinop/arcade/file/583725/25007This is the DS plot guide, a translation and combination of the Graphic File and all About DarkStalker books...every thing posted comes from here.
1. "Demitri seized this opportunity to further gain strength and fought
against Pyron and consumed the alien life form. He was confident that he was strong enough to challenge and defeat the ruler of Makai, Belial."Powerful enough to eat Pyron...
2. The guy goes in and out of the human world, Makai, and now the Majigen like nothing.
3. "Belial had won victory over Demitri by ripping Demitri's castle and the gate into human world. But damaging space itself had also damaged Belial's body."
Demitri can survive time space attacks.
4. Demitri is nearly 6000 yrs old wit no signs of aging.
5. He can explode into bats as special moves and come back together and his character sprite has an animation of him being cut in half and coming back together.
6. Special move
7. Special moves and his dashes. (Btw, if you wanna see him in-game, just youtube it)
8. That's already been proven above.
9. He absorbs the power of others in Midnight Bliss.
10. He turns dudes into chicks and chicks into other things and then steals their power. (youtube it)
The source is secondary and so may be falliable but I will answer this as if it is indeed 100% truth.
1. How do you know this is power exactly? has Pyron resisted this kind of power before? This is Demitri who has few actual feats beyond doing this so I am skeptical to say eating this being was actually an incredible feat, we do not even know the specifics and as was said before, pyron was apprently weakened by himself during this instance.
The rest up until 8 is nothing amazing or special, although ill check out some of these "animations" although they could just be gameplay.
8. Not proven at all, he absorbed Pyron but nothing states that he gains Pyrons power, it is only implied absorbing Pyron has made him more powerful. By how much or to what degree this will help him is not actually shown or stated unless you have another quote/source?
9 . The attack itself is possibly a no limits fallacy gameplay manouver, the animation also requires Demitri to power up his magic.
10. Yes thats what Midnight bliss seems to do...unforutnaltey may not work as Dante and Kratos have certain resistances to spells, Dante apprently resistant to magic in his Devil form, Kratos is far too strong for Demitri to just transform him without a fight, midnight bliss is not quite as instant as you would like to belive.
[QUOTE=12396602]Originally posted by Shutter Control
Hardly any offense but I think you believe in people's words fairly easily. if that was the case then I would be saying Sephiroth can blow up starsystems in real life like most most FFtards that probably didn't even play the game and saw some random cutscence of it in youtube. Fortunately me, I'm not gullible. and as a matter of fact I argued this in my Demetri vs Kain thread. so no I don't listen easily to everything.
Originally posted by Phanteros...cutscenes on youtube are actually probably the best video game proof available. What are you talking about? 😕
[QUOTE=12396602]Originally posted by Shutter Control
[B]Hardly any offense but I think you believe in people's words fairly easily. if that was the case then I would be saying Sephiroth can blow up starsystems in real life like most most FFtards that probably didn't even play the game and saw some random cutscence of it in youtube. Fortunately me, I'm not gullible. and as a matter of fact I argued this in my Demetri vs Kain thread. so no I don't listen easily to everything. [/B]
I'm sure some on here argue Supernova is either unacceptable gameplay/illusion/didn't happen because the Earth in FF7 is still fine. However, I see it as something Safer Sephiroth is capable of, as it's inherently one of his moves. He just happened not to pull it off in order to make the story progress. All are equally accurate guesses. Plus the fact that this move, is no different than say the Final Aeon's Ultimate Jecht Shot from FFX, in terms of being illusional. A boss's ultimate attack (or overdrive for a different word) being an illusion is a big assumption to make...unless the attack name or description has the words "fake", "unreal" or "illusional" somewhere in them. What's obviously inaccurate in gameplay is damage. You don't see scars, bruises, amputations and whatnot in 80% of games, let alone FF, so an attack like Supernova not obliterating the cast of FF7 off the screen, in gameplay does not equate to Supernova is an illusion or fake (as this would then make every move in the entire FF series, fake or illusional, which is 100% irrational). Just saying.
Originally posted by Shutter ControlThe attack is obviously a game mechanic seeing as it can't, no matter how many times casted, kill the player. and seeing as it is never mentioned again other than the spin off of dissidia. I'm not sure about the Illusion part though as it still does damage in point system but its the only attack in the game that can't kill the player and meteor was Sephiroth's stronges spell as stated in the game.
...cutscenes on youtube are actually probably the best video game proof available. What are you talking about? 😕I'm sure some on here argue Supernova is either unacceptable gameplay/illusion/didn't happen because the Earth in FF7 is still fine. However, I see it as something Safer Sephiroth is capable of, as it's inherently one of his moves. He just happened not to pull it off in order to make the story progress. All are equally accurate guesses. Plus the fact that this move, is no different than say the Final Aeon's Ultimate Jecht Shot from FFX, in terms of being illusional. A boss's ultimate attack (or overdrive for a different word) being an illusion is a big assumption to make...unless the attack name or description has the words "fake", "unreal" or "illusional" somewhere in them. What's obviously inaccurate in gameplay is damage. You don't see scars, bruises, amputations and whatnot in 80% of games, let alone FF, so an attack like Supernova not obliterating the cast of FF7 off the screen, in gameplay does not equate to Supernova is an illusion or fake (as this would then make every move in the entire FF series, fake or illusional, which is 100% irrational). Just saying.
I'm sure some on here argue Supernova is either unacceptable gameplay/illusion/didn't happen because the Earth in FF7 is still fine. However, I see it as something Safer Sephiroth is capable of, as it's inherently one of his moves. He just happened not to pull it off in order to make the story progress.
Actually that's not true. Sephiroth's fan club in Crisis Core and the CC Complete Guide both confirm that Supernova is Sephiroth's signature move even before Nibelheim. He's used it canonically and the FF VII world is still there.
This doesn't mean it's not a powerful attack however. The FF VII 10th anniversary Ultimania says it has the power of a Supernova(meaning it hits as hard as the real thing would) and the Dissidia Ultimania calls it "A blast of such despair that it can send destruction even into other dimensions." Presumably it only becomes dimension barrier shattering powerful after Nibelheim, though.