Upscaling is converter a lower resolution image to a higher resolution image.
For example, converting a 720p video to 1080p. While it might be better than 720p, unless the video is made for 1080p your not really getting the full advantage of the 1080p.
That's why most games are 720p and you won't really see the difference between 720p upscaled to 1080p. You will see difference between a 720p native game and a 1080p native game.
Originally posted by S_D_Jhttp://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/x/xbox360componenthdcable/
the game max should be the last number it's got printed, though you will need an HDMI cable (no matter what) to output 1080p, the component cable max resolution is 720p/1080i, it cannot output 1080p, the HDMI cable is the only one capable of that (and higher)
says it can do 1080p beware
Originally posted by SmasandianDo you mean video, like, the Xbox when I choose 1080p on the dashboard (it has options 480p, 720p, 1080i and 1080p)?
Upscaling is converter a lower resolution image to a higher resolution image.For example, converting a 720p video to 1080p. While it might be better than 720p, unless the video is made for 1080p your not really getting the full advantage of the 1080p.
Originally posted by Shutter Control
...well of my 7 360 games, they all have 1080p on the back (along with 1080i and 720p) and I wasn't looking for which has 1080p when buying them (the whole time I had the SDTV), so I just find it wierd that they all have 1080p on the back. My games are:Dead or Alive 4
Halo 3
Devil May Cry 4
Soul Calibur 4
DBZ Burst Limit
Tekken 6
The DarknessBy the way what is upscaling? Would any upscaling occur if I set my 360 to 1080p on the dashboard, while my TV is at 720p?
I just took a look at a few of my 360 games, and yep, some do say to output 1080p (Naruto and Batman AA apparently). I don't see much of a difference though.
HALO 3 does not output 1080p, it doesn't even properly output 720p, it runs at a slower resolution (634p or something) with an steady framerate. what it does is upscale the resolution (makes bigger pixels, while smoothing the ones around), but that's not 1080p, nor even 720p 😬
oh, Tekken 6 in no way outputs 1080p, while it may say it does, the resolution of the game leaves much to be desired. the texture resolutions are poor for a game released this year. It clearly hasn't been touched since it was released 2 years ago in arcades
I just looked at the box of my PS3 Tekken 6 version, and it clearly says 720p. While it could say 1080p on the Xbox version, it most definitely means the 360 can upscale the picture (to stretch it) to fit a 1080p resolution, but that isn't Full HD, just a little zoom 😐
I actually based the native resolution of the game with the PS3 version. That one says the real maximum resolution. I can't say the same for exclusive 360 titles, since the 360 more often than not upscales the picture to 1080p
Originally posted by Shutter Control
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/x/xbox360componenthdcable/says it can do 1080p beware
yep it says that... does your TV accept 1080p through component?
some TVs do (more nowadays apparently) but it's more common that they accept the signal through HDMI than component.
a common problem is that component in all of its glory, it's still an analog signal, that can degrade with the length of the cable or its usage. HDMI is digital and it suffers from none of those problems.
For example, my TV won't accept the 1080p signal from the 360 with component, It needs the HDMI
and while some TV's can tell you it's outputting at 1080p, in reality they're not, they are upscaling/downscaling the picture to match that of the TV's native resolution ( for most 720p TV's their native resolution could either be 720p or 1,366x768p and odd resolutions in between) so 1080p doesn't always mean 1080p.
Originally posted by Shutter Control
Do you mean video, like, the Xbox when I choose 1080p on the dashboard (it has options 480p, 720p, 1080i and 1080p)?
you can set whatever resolution your TV accepts, just know that maybe your TV is downscaling a larger resolution to fit that of your TV.
The best way to get the best quality out of your TV is to have your console match the native resolution of your TV (it should be printed in the manual or in the box of your TV)
while apparently, more games are offering 1080p, the truth is not many do so for real. The games get upscaled (in other words: pixels get bloated and smoothed) but the resolution of the textures remain the same, there's no actual benefit, and sometimes looks worse... all too blurry. AC2 on PS3 has the option to output 1080p, but it looks mostly horrible since it is actually (and not a secret that it is) upscaling the picture.
The 360 does a hell of a good job upscaling (the PS3 apparently doesn't bother with it) but it's best to match the native resolution 😉
now If you're talking about Video (like say a Movie) then the differences are much more noticeable. A DVD running at 420p looks good, but if you use an upscaler, it looks much better, brighter colors and smoother edges, but in no way it can match the detail in a 720p movie....
and a 1080p movie it's a whole other issue (if you got the display to properly output it)
EDIT: take a look at this quote
As for gaming, Xbox 360 and the PlayStation 3 games are usually 720p native, though some titles are being offered in 1080p resolution (also, the 720p titles can be upscaled to 1080i or 1080p in the user settings of those consoles).Really, the main way to get true 1080p output--aside from hooking your PC to your HDTV--is to get a Blu-ray player (yes, HD DVD players are another potential route, but Toshiba killed HD DVD last year). All Blu-ray players support 1080p output, and--more importantly--the vast majority of discs are natively encoded at 1080p.
Originally posted by S_D_JHmm...ok. Yeah I guess it's on the back (they are on the back of all my 360 games...) but could just mean they can be running on a 1080p TV or when the console is set to 1080p, but the game itself can only go up to 720p (Halo 3 isn't 720p even? Then what is it?)
I just took a look at a few of my 360 games, and yep, some do say to output 1080p (Naruto and Batman AA apparently). I don't see much of a difference though.HALO 3 does not output 1080p, it doesn't even properly output 720p, it runs at a slower resolution (634p or something) with an steady framerate. what it does is upscale the resolution (makes bigger pixels, while smoothing the ones around), but that's not 1080p, nor even 720p 😬
oh, Tekken 6 in no way outputs 1080p, while it may say it does, the resolution of the game leaves much to be desired. the texture resolutions are poor for a game released this year. It clearly hasn't been touched since it was released 2 years ago in arcades
I just looked at the box of my PS3 Tekken 6 version, and it clearly says 720p. While it could say 1080p on the Xbox version, it most definitely means the 360 can upscale the picture (to stretch it) to fit a 1080p resolution, but that isn't Full HD, just a little zoom 😐
I actually based the native resolution of the game with the PS3 version. That one says the real maximum resolution. I can't say the same for exclusive 360 titles, since the 360 more often than not upscales the picture to 1080p
yep it says that... does your TV accept 1080p through component?
some TVs do (more nowadays apparently) but it's more common that they accept the signal through HDMI than component.
a common problem is that component in all of its glory, it's still an analog signal, that can degrade with the length of the cable or its usage. HDMI is digital and it suffers from none of those problems.
For example, my TV won't accept the 1080p signal from the 360 with component, It needs the HDMI
and while some TV's can tell you it's outputting at 1080p, in reality they're not, they are upscaling/downscaling the picture to match that of the TV's native resolution ( for most 720p TV's their native resolution could either be 720p or 1,366x768p and odd resolutions in between) so 1080p doesn't always mean 1080p.
you can set whatever resolution your TV accepts, just know that maybe your TV is downscaling a larger resolution to fit that of your TV.
The best way to get the best quality out of your TV is to have your console match the native resolution of your TV (it should be printed in the manual or in the box of your TV)while apparently, more games are offering 1080p, the truth is not many do so for real. The games get upscaled (in other words: pixels get bloated and smoothed) but the resolution of the textures remain the same, there's no actual benefit, and sometimes looks worse... all too blurry. AC2 on PS3 has the option to output 1080p, but it looks mostly horrible since it is actually (and not a secret that it is) upscaling the picture.
The 360 does a hell of a good job upscaling (the PS3 apparently doesn't bother with it) but it's best to match the native resolution 😉
now If you're talking about Video (like say a Movie) then the differences are much more noticeable. A DVD running at 420p looks good, but if you use an upscaler, it looks much better, brighter colors and smoother edges, but in no way it can match the detail in a 720p movie....
and a 1080p movie it's a whole other issue (if you got the display to properly output it)EDIT: take a look at this quote
Spent hours searching for 24-26 inch lcd tv's and honestly wanted 1080p, but all are not even by Toshiba, or Sony, or much reputable companies. Rather they are from companies I've never heard of in my life...Vizio, Viore, Viewsonic (I now call the 3 V's 😆), Auria...what else...and, the best pick of 26 inch lcd TV's went to the one I happened to purchase EVEN THOUGH it's not even in 1080p...wierd. Yeah I may not notice a difference (if I didn't spend time looking for it) but sometimes I like to go up to my screen and actually 1080p is a tad bit over DOUBLE when it comes to overall amount of pixels...1080p has around 2,000,000 and 720p has around 900,000...
But, I am about to move my chair back a little bit (a bit more, since I already did so yesterday) yay to better resolution (going back farther could be like making the resolution better 😆 😛)
I still want to bang Sony in the face for making 32 the smallest size for 1080p and not 26...my Tekken buddy on live has a 32 sony XBR that is 1080p. Also, you have it for PS3? Well, great. At least you're not having D-pad issues. 😆 And, we all know you got it for that console so you will not be harrassed by me to play me. 😈
For the game to run at 1080p, the console needs to be set at 1080p and the TV needs to have a native resolution of 1080p (or at least accept the 1080p signal)... then it will be output at that resolution (by having the 360 upscale it, most likely)
Halo 3 (and ODST) runs at 640p, and then the xbox upscale the image
http://www.joystiq.com/2007/09/28/halo-3-not-hd-runs-at-640p-pixel-counters-claim/
Vizio are actually quite good, and unexpensieve
Viewsonic has been around for a long time (PC monitors) I don't now how their LCDs are, though
while your TV might only be 720p, it can display 1080i. you do see an increase in overall resolution, but when it runs at much higher speed it can become a little fuzzy 🙂
I was going to get Tekken 6 for 360 (I probably will sometime) but the PS3 version arrived here first, so I went with that one 😄
Originally posted by S_D_JBut, wouldn't the game also have to be in 1080p?
For the game to run at 1080p, the console needs to be set at 1080p and the TV needs to have a native resolution of 1080p (or at least accept the 1080p signal)...
Also if a TV doesn't have a native of 1080p, how can a game that is in 1080p, and the console being set to 1080p, produce a 1080p image? Something is missing here and that is the TV being in 1080p in the first place...
Originally posted by S_D_JI think the only benefit of setting the console/TV to 1080p is if the game itself is running at the same resolution.
then it will be output at that resolution (by having the 360 upscale it, most likely)Halo 3 (and ODST) runs at 640p, and then the xbox upscale the image
http://www.joystiq.com/2007/09/28/halo-3-not-hd-runs-at-640p-pixel-counters-claim/Vizio are actually quite good, and unexpensieve
Viewsonic has been around for a long time (PC monitors) I don't now how their LCDs are, though
while your TV might only be 720p, it can display 1080i. you do see an increase in overall resolution, but when it runs at much higher speed it can become a little fuzzy 🙂
I was going to get Tekken 6 for 360 (I probably will sometime) but the PS3 version arrived here first, so I went with that one 😄
But it seems you're saying the console will upscale a game that is not in 1080p (which I believe) but how is the TV going to produce the desired result when it's native resolution is not 1080p? Because I think setting the TV to 1080p will only benefit a game that is in 1080p. I don't think the 720p TV will produce a better Tekken 6 if the game is in 720p, even if you set the console/TV to 1080p.
Originally posted by Shutter Control
But, wouldn't the game also have to be in 1080p?
Yes.
Also if a TV doesn't have a native of 1080p, how can a game that is in 1080p, and the console being set to 1080p, produce a 1080p image? Something is missing here and that is the TV being in 1080p in the first place...
It can't. To properly produce the 1080p signal, the console needs to be set at that signal, the game/video needs to have that resolution natively, as well as the TV. There's no real benefit to setting it at highest res if the TV can't properly display it. The thing is: some TV's that are 720p accept an 1080p signal, while others (like SONYs) don't. Those that do accept it downscale the image before output, but there's no benefit... arguably because many 720p are 768p natively and benefit somewhat of the added resolution... if the TV is 32" and you're standing 10" away from it 😬
I think the only benefit of setting the console/TV to 1080p is if the game itself is running at the same resolution.
YES...
But it seems you're saying the console will upscale a game that is not in 1080p (which I believe) but how is the TV going to produce the desired result when it's native resolution is not 1080p? Because I think setting the TV to 1080p will only benefit a game that is in 1080p. I don't think the 720p TV will produce a better Tekken 6 if the game is in 720p, even if you set the console/TV to 1080p.
Yes to that too.
To be honest, I never bothered setting my 360 at 1080p. Is hooked up via component cable. I only tried the HDMI once, but never saw a real difference between both settings 😐, so I never actually played an upscaled game.
My PS3 is set at 1080p and I notice (somehow) a difference between 720p and 1080p, though the PS3 changes is setting to match the max native res of the game. So while on the XMB or watching a BR, my TV is indeed set at 1080p (whenever I press the "display" button of my remote, it shows) but when I press play on the game, the display changes to 720p and I can't do anything about it ...except when the game is natively running (or internally upscaled like AC2) at 1080p
You shouldn't worry about it though, 720p is fine by a long mile 😉
...holy...
Wait a minute though, you reminded me of something...
My TV...ACTUALLY isn't even...
or wait...lol I goofed up...
Ok, my TV is 720p however this is actually "768 by 1366" not 720 by 1280...which 720p I think should be, because this would then be 2/3 of 1080p resolution
but 720p on my TV is "768 x 1366" so it's actually more than 2/3 of 1080p, although the overall number of pixels is barely over half of 1080p.
I was going to ask...if the game is set at 720p, is it set at 720 x 1280 or 768 x 1366? 😬
I think it doesn't really matter since either way, my TV is still going to produce the best image of a "720p" game because something 720p is either going to be 720 or 768, and my TV is 768.