Originally posted by Zeuodin
Oh and team for the win. Just how does team two win? And I have yet to see Surfer scan someone for weakness in the Middle of a highspeed battle, formulate said weakenss and then use it all while avoiding being attacked. That's all I want to see.
First of all few people have specific weaknesses like superman and gladiator. But surfer has shown that his CA can instantly tell him such weaknesses. In other cases where the people he is fighting are powered by specific forms of energy (which constitutes a weakness) surfer has shown to immediately sense it and manipulate/drain them of said energy i.e firelord,Hulk,Silver surfer clone,Dr spectrum,Sympira,Wonderman etc.
Ur request for an exact scenario is nothing more than reaching because surfer has fulfilled all the requirements necessary for this to be a valid tactic. He has shown the ability to instantly sense such exploitable weaknesses . He has shown the presence of mind to actually exploit them. He has shown extreme control over nearly all types of energy etc. i.e even being able to instantly replicate thanos' unique energy signature. By terming it "exploiting weakness" u are trying to make sound like a complicated process when in truth it is no more complex than surfer tagging his opponent with one of his blasts. Funnily enough i believe u have barred weakness exploitation here so its not even relevant.
And i say team 2 wins because i believe Surfer beast Orion, Thor beats yat and though sentry may lose to wondy its two on 1 with either surfer or thor beating her.
Originally posted by Naija boyWhat is surfer going to do to orion? We already know Orion can create shields strong enough to block the Omega Blasts. Is he going to then try matter manip? Not only can Orion matter Manip, his box can two. Is he going to slug it out with Orion? bad Idea.
First of all few people have specific weaknesses like superman and gladiator. But surfer has shown that his CA can instantly tell him such weaknesses. In other cases where the people he is fighting are powered by specific forms of energy (which constitutes a weakness) surfer has shown to immediately sense it and manipulate/drain them of said energy i.e firelord,Hulk,Silver surfer clone,Dr spectrum,Sympira,Wonderman etc.Ur request for an exact scenario is nothing more than reaching because surfer has fulfilled all the requirements necessary for this to be a valid tactic. He has shown the ability to instantly sense such exploitable weaknesses . He has shown the presence of mind to actually exploit them. He has shown extreme control over nearly all types of energy etc. i.e even being able to instantly replicate thanos' unique energy signature. By terming it "exploiting weakness" u are trying to make sound like a complicated process when in truth it is no more complex than surfer tagging his opponent with one of his blasts. Funnily enough i believe u have barred weakness exploitation here so its not even relevant.
And i say team 2 wins because i believe Surfer beast Orion, Thor beats yat and though sentry may lose to wondy its two on 1 with either surfer or thor beating her.
Originally posted by Zeuodin
What is surfer going to do to orion? We already know Orion can create shields strong enough to block the Omega Blasts. Is he going to then try matter manip? Not only can Orion matter Manip, his box can two. Is he going to slug it out with Orion? bad Idea.
Please bring scans of that, though resisting the omega beams (as superman has done in the past) in no way means that surfer cant eventually break orions shields. Further to follow ur line of logic, what is orion going to do to surfer? we already know that surfer can create shields strong enough to block blasts from the likes of the above skyfather level (or at least high skyfather level) Skrier. Is he going to use matter manip? Surfer is a better matter manipulator than he is. Is he going to slug it out with surfer? Surfer fighting to the fullest would not do this, but would rather use his blasts and other powers to fightetc.
Originally posted by ZeuodinYa, why doesn't he just expose Thanos' weakness to... death?
he has control over stuff like that now. He can simply turn it into something else or expunge it. Not that Surfer using lead would be any kind of option in a fight. I've never seen Surfer use a weakness in a fight. Why doesn't he do that to Thanos ?
Shoot some death at Thanos. Sound strategy.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Please bring scans of that, though resisting the omega beams (as superman has done in the past) in no way means that surfer cant eventually break orions shields. Further to follow ur line of logic, what is orion going to do to surfer? we already know that surfer can create shields strong enough to block blasts from the likes of the above skyfather level (or at least high skyfather level) Skrier. Is he going to use matter manip? Surfer is a better matter manipulator than he is. Is he going to slug it out with surfer? Surfer fighting to the fullest would not do this, but would rather use his blasts and other powers to fightetc.
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Originally posted by Naija boy
Please bring scans of that, though resisting the omega beams (as superman has done in the past) in no way means that surfer cant eventually break orions shields. Further to follow ur line of logic, what is orion going to do to surfer? we already know that surfer can create shields strong enough to block blasts from the likes of the above skyfather level (or at least high skyfather level) Skrier. Is he going to use matter manip? Surfer is a better matter manipulator than he is. Is he going to slug it out with surfer? Surfer fighting to the fullest would not do this, but would rather use his blasts and other powers to fightetc.
Now you say that Surfer is a better Matter Manip than Orion. that may be true. But Orion has his MB which is a better matter manip than either. His MB actually can turn one being into another being with their full set of abilities. Turned Orion into Mr. Miracle. Not that it matters, Matter manip isn't going to do Surfer or Orion any good against the other.
Now what we have left is Speed, strength, Durability, and Blasting power.
Strength and Blasting power are Orion's.
Speed= Debatable as I can show scans of Orion doing some serious travel speed feats. But then Surfer has those too.
Surfer May be more durable. Debatable.
Orion can also amp and Grow to gigantic size. Amping further.
I'd say Orion wins in any logical debate against Surfer. Just as Thor wins against Surfer. He just can't compete with the best of the Gods.
Originally posted by Zeuodin
I have yet to see Superman resist the Omega Beams unfettered. Show me Him doing so when DS is at full power and without DS first striking himself. Also, You seem to be under the impression that I'm saying Orion is going to block Surfer's blast and let him keep blasting until he gets thru. Is that what you think? The Dog of war is going to just stand there? Now what makes you think that even if Surfer gets thru Orion's shields, that He can put Orion Down with said Blasts easily? Orion turned back forces that could destroy the Universe. His Durability is considerably high. And then He also has a Mother box that can heal his wounds.Now you say that Surfer is a better Matter Manip than Orion. that may be true. But Orion has his MB which is a better matter manip than either. His MB actually can turn one being into another being with their full set of abilities. Turned Orion into Mr. Miracle. Not that it matters, Matter manip isn't going to do Surfer or Orion any good against the other.
Now what we have left is Speed, strength, Durability, and Blasting power.
Strength and Blasting power are Orion's.
Speed= Debatable as I can show scans of Orion doing some serious travel speed feats. But then Surfer has those too.
Surfer May be more durable. Debatable.
Orion can also amp and Grow to gigantic size. Amping further.
I'd say Orion wins in any logical debate agains
t Surfer. Just as Thor wins against Surfer. He just can't compete with the best of the Gods.
Off the top of my head, our worlds at war and further DS first striking himself or whatever really would only affect his owndurability and not the power of the beams themselves. Moreover, in ur previous posts u r the one who ridiculously attempted to portray the idea of orion hiding behind his shield (which surfer can get through anyway) and hence there being no hope for surfer. The fact that he is the "dog of war" as u describe him would mean him engaging surfer and hence would make him susceptible to getting blasted and such. I also never said anything about surfer putting him down easily. Orion off panel getting rid of the energies of the oblivion bomb really doesnt show anything in regards to durability so i dont know why u even brought that up.
I know that direct bodily matter manip isnt going to be the decider in this fight. I was only pointing out the gigantic flaws in ur previous line of logic. However indirect forms of matter manip such as encasement/entrapment will be helpful tactics for surfer.
Pure physical Strength goes to orion most likely but i disagree with blasting power,speed and durability which i believe all go to surfer.
Id like to see scans of Orion deliberately growing to his gigantic size (his true form or whatever) in battle within the regular DC universe.
Orion doesnt win against surfer and i dont believe thor does either (but thats not even relevant here).
Originally posted by Naija boy
Off the top of my head, our worlds at war and further DS first striking himself or whatever really would only affect his owndurability and not the power of the beams themselves. Moreover, in ur previous posts u r the one who ridiculously attempted to portray the idea of orion hiding behind his shield (which surfer can get through anyway) and hence there being no hope for surfer. The fact that he is the "dog of war" as u describe him would mean him engaging surfer and hence would make him susceptible to getting blasted and such. I also never said anything about surfer putting him down easily. Orion off panel getting rid of the energies of the oblivion bomb really doesnt show anything in regards to durability so i dont know why u even brought that up.I know that direct bodily matter manip isnt going to be the decider in this fight. I was only pointing out the gigantic flaws in ur previous line of logic. However indirect forms of matter manip such as encasement/entrapment will be helpful tactics for surfer.
Pure physical Strength goes to orion most likely but i disagree with blasting power,speed and durability which i believe all go to surfer.
Id like to see scans of Orion deliberately growing to his gigantic size (his true form or whatever) in battle within the regular DC universe.Orion doesnt win against surfer and i dont believe thor does either (but thats not even relevant here).
I wasn't referring to the Quantum Bomb. I was reffering to the Euridios or how ever you spell the Universal destroying force. Durability is a non factor. Orion can heal himself and the MB heals. He also has shields as Surfer. I don't see Surfer beating Orion any more than I see Orion beating Surfer. a Draw or Orion getting the slight better because he just has Superior Blasting power. And Orion grew Giant when he fought DS in Countdown if I'm not mistaken. No matter, All new Gods can grow at will. Orion did it when he took a chunk out of apoc. DS did it. Devilance did it.
Originally posted by Zeuodin
I wasn't referring to the Quantum Bomb. I was reffering to the Euridios or how ever you spell the Universal destroying force. Durability is a non factor. Orion can heal himself and the MB heals. He also has shields as Surfer. I don't see Surfer beating Orion any more than I see Orion beating Surfer. a Draw or Orion getting the slight better because he just has Superior Blasting power. And Orion grew Giant when he fought DS in Countdown if I'm not mistaken. No matter, All new Gods can grow at will. Orion did it when he took a chunk out of apoc. DS did it. Devilance did it.
Scans of the oncident u r referring to please. and as i said before i believe surfer has superior blast power as well as speed. Also please provide scans of the countdown incident as well.
Originally posted by Naija boyWhat's the toughest thing Surfer has blasted and Hurt? What is the tuffest opponent Surfer has one shotted with his blast?
Scans of the oncident u r referring to please. and as i said before i believe surfer has superior blast power as well as speed. Also please provide scans of the countdown incident as well.
We don't know the full capabilities of Orion's Astro Force, since he holds back a lot. I assume Surfer is the same, but the Astro Force is basically limitless energy which is able to contain weapons that can destroy the universe.
His battle on earth, for example had effects that almost destroyed the moon! Orion has the edge in blasting power, IMO, or about even and is much more battle savvy than Surfer. I'd give Orion the small edge over Surfer, but not current amped Surfer.He's just too much for Orion.
Originally posted by Prep-ManOrion is currently Amped too. To an Unknown degree. All the New Gods.
We don't know the full capabilities of Orion's Astro Force, since he holds back a lot. I assume Surfer is the same, but the Astro Force is basically limitless energy which is able to contain weapons that can destroy the universe.His battle on earth, for example had effects that almost destroyed the moon! Orion has the edge in blasting power, IMO, or about even and is much more battle savvy than Surfer. I'd give Orion the small edge over Surfer, but not current amped Surfer.He's just too much for Orion.
Originally posted by Zeuodin
I wasn't referring to the Quantum Bomb. I was reffering to the Euridios or how ever you spell the Universal destroying force. Durability is a non factor. Orion can heal himself and the MB heals. He also has shields as Surfer. I don't see Surfer beating Orion any more than I see Orion beating Surfer. a Draw or Orion getting the slight better because he just has Superior Blasting power. And Orion grew Giant when he fought DS in Countdown if I'm not mistaken. No matter, All new Gods can grow at will. Orion did it when he took a chunk out of apoc. DS did it. Devilance did it.
You're talking about the Ecruos, which is the Source spelled backwards. It was powerful enough to consume the very MULTIVERSE. Orion used the ALE to defeat it, but the feat that caught my attention is that he survived the explosion that killed the Ecruos, I believe. That is some durability right there.
Originally posted by Prep-Manyeah. that was the Durability feat I was thinking about.
You're talking about the Ecruos, which is the Source spelled backwards. It was powerful enough to consume the very MULTIVERSE. Orion used the ALE to defeat it, but the feat that caught my attention is that he survived the explosion that killed the Ecruos, I believe. That is some durability right there.