Star Wars: The Force Unleashed 2

Originally posted by BoratBorat
You clearly watched the prequels for special effects then.

Remember how the fart bag kept hinting to anakin that plagueis could restore someone to life blah blah blah and that his apprentice learned everything blah blah and then palpatine telling anakin he can save padme when in the end he told vader they needed to work together to find the secret?

Sounds like a lie to me.

Just curious.

Yes, Rid, Palpatine was Plagueis' apprentice. The story is, in all likelihood, mostly if not complete truth, simply told in the third person.

When did he manipulate Anakin into killing her...? He did quite the opposite by saying if they worked together, they could save her...

Which was a lie. Just like he manipulated Dooku knowing that he would eventually have him killed. Just like he lied to Padme so that she would deliver a vote of no confidence in Chancellor Velorum in EpI under the guise that he would find a peaceful solution to the stand off at Naboo. Just like he lied to the seperatist leaders before having Vader kill them all on Mustafar.

As well as countless other time that he lied via words of actions throughout the prequel trilogy.

Do you genuinely think he would ever have let Vader have a relationship based on love?

Very good Ms. Marvel! Watched it and he is clearly smiling at Vader's power and that the mechanical limbs didn't make him totally useless! Thanks!

No...He's clearly smiling at the fact that Vader is finally fully unleashing his hatred and anger. (If I remember correctly Padme is still giving birth after Vader is suited up meaning she's still alive meaning that Sidious is lieing in order to make Vader let go of her)

Originally posted by BoratBorat
You clearly watched the prequels for special effects then.

Remember how the fart bag kept hinting to anakin that plagueis could restore someone to life blah blah blah and that his apprentice learned everything blah blah and then palpatine telling anakin he can save padme when in the end he told vader they needed to work together to find the secret?

Sounds like a lie to me.

Right. You just must know the reason why I watched the first three movies, besides the fact that my favourite movie from the series is in the OT. But you're right. Obviously.

...and wasn't this discussion over? GK pointed out a time that Palpatine unquestionably lied. I am wondering why people are still bringing it up?

Originally posted by jaden101

Do you genuinely think he would ever have let Vader have a relationship based on love?

No...He's clearly smiling at the fact that Vader is finally fully unleashing his hatred and anger. (If I remember correctly Padme is still giving birth after Vader is suited up meaning she's still alive meaning that Sidious is lieing in order to make Vader let go of her)

However, I must addres this because it made me chuckle...

I can tell that you haven't read any of my posts because if you had, then you would know that I specifically said that I knew Palps wouldn't have allowed it, one way or another.

And for the second part...did you really say anything differently than I did? I am not quite sure which of my interpretation you are disagreeing with. But I know not to take you seriously in the future.

Originally posted by General G
Right. You just must know the reason why I watched the first three movies, besides the fact that my favourite movie from the series is in the OT. But you're right. Obviously.

...and wasn't this discussion over? GK pointed out a time that Palpatine unquestionably lied. I am wondering why people are still bringing it up?

Originally posted by jaden101
No...He's clearly smiling at the fact that Vader is finally fully unleashing his hatred and anger. (If I remember correctly Padme is still giving birth after Vader is suited up meaning she's still alive meaning that Sidious is lieing in order to make Vader let go of her)

you remember wrong shes already dead at that point ✅

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime

Yeah, he did. The blue and green lightsabers he had though were ones he took from Jedi he killed (I believe), but yes. It definitely would've been cooler if he had used some red sabers as well, if not all 4 of his sabers being mega-awesome red. 😛

Right, you're right about the blue and green sabers.
Well, blue is still my favorite color, though for some reason, red sabers are cooler IMO. Probably because I cannot remember seeing a double bladed green/blue saber in the movies 😛.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
You don't? 🤨 It was his custom attire that he wore around all the time when he wasn't fighting.

Not really. 'Small' details such as those have been forgotten on my part, as it's been quite some time since I last watched any movie from the PT or the OT.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Agreed, but since Grievous uses two sabers at once (sometimes four), the cape would only hinder his movements in combat, methinks. That's probably why he took it off right before fighting Obi-wan (in his weaker state) in episode III.

Makes sense. He should have tried using it as a distraction against opponents though mmm

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Well, I guess it can be argued that he held back with the force lightening for the reasons you mentioned, but as far as Palpatine holding back during the lightsaber fight? No way. Mace beat him fair & square in that regard.

I agree. Did they have any non-canon endings in the SWIII game where Mace doesn't get cheap-shotted?

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
On a side note, don't you think Luke's foolishness in episode V was probably inherited from Fool Anakin? 😂 It makes sense now that I think about it.
Luke tossing his lightsaber aside after taking down Vader (thus not having anything to defend himself against the Emperor) was also a dumbass move. xD

You know what they say, like Father, like Son 😛.
He was probably hoping his father would jump in and try to protect him, though that possibility seems stupid since Vader had lost one of his hands.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Yeah, and he would never really do there what he did to Sidious. Fool Anakin himself even admitted that he "needed" him in order to save Padme's life or whatever, so yeah. 😛

Exactly, the whole ending reeked of PIS. Though I suppose since after he killed Obi-Wan and all, he wouldn't care about anything or anyone. He also thought Padme had betrayed him iirc.

Originally posted by General G
I appologise if that is what you took of it, because it is not quite what I meant. I am not denying the fact that he DID lie...just that it wasn't really shown in the movies. I mean, obviously he was a master of lies and deceit...he's a Sith Lord dealing with Jedi without anyone knowing! You just said my overall point to this: "while he may not have outright lied...". That is all I am saying. 😛

Ahh, fair enough, my apologies.
It was mainly due to the fact that I couldn't remember specific instances of him lying outright, as I pointed out. Meh, GK's given you an example anyway, though I must admit, I liked your explanation of the first corruption point from -Pr- (Jedi's being corrupt in the eyes of the Sith). From that standpoint, it counts as deception.

Originally posted by General Kaliero
Yes, Rid, Palpatine was Plagueis' apprentice. The story is, in all likelihood, mostly if not complete truth, simply told in the third person.

Thanks for the clarification!

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Right, you're right about the blue and green sabers.
Well, blue is still my favorite color, though for some reason, red sabers are cooler IMO. Probably because I cannot remember seeing a double bladed green/blue saber in the movies 😛.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Not really. 'Small' details such as those have been forgotten on my part, as it's been quite some time since I last watched any movie from the PT or the OT.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Makes sense. He should have tried using it as a distraction against opponents though mmm

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I agree. Did they have any non-canon endings in the SWIII game where Mace doesn't get cheap-shotted?

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
You know what they say, like Father, like Son 😛.
He was probably hoping his father would jump in and try to protect him, though that possibility seems stupid since Vader had lost one of his hands.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Exactly, the whole ending reeked of PIS. Though I suppose since after he killed Obi-Wan and all, he wouldn't care about anything or anyone. He also thought Padme had betrayed him iirc.

That said, even for an alternate ending, it was pretty nonsensical. 😂

Originally posted by -Pr-
Star Wars Episode I, about an hour and 28 mins in:

Palpatine: Your majesty, if i am elected, i promise to put an end to corruption.

Pretty massive howler there.

Palpatine made a massive empire, got ride of all the other corrupt politicians...etc.

So he told da troof.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Ahh, fair enough, my apologies.
It was mainly due to the fact that I couldn't remember specific instances of him lying outright, as I pointed out. Meh, GK's given you an example anyway, though I must admit, I liked your explanation of the first corruption point from -Pr- (Jedi's being corrupt in the eyes of the Sith). From that standpoint, it counts as deception.

No worries, no need to appologise, that's why I explained what i meant a little more clearly 😛 And yes, I am glad he could give me one, because I honestly couldn't think of one! I am glad you liked my explanation of Jedi/Sith corrupt part!

Just saw the trailer. Nice and simple. Not too much given away. It's juicy.

I loved TFU, because it was a new take on something so mysterious to anyone who's ever seen star wars - The Force.

It does beg the question how Starkiller survived, but i'm sure that a reasonable explanation will be given.

I bet they going to pull a Fallout 3 out of their asses.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Palpatine made a massive empire, got ride of all the other corrupt politicians...etc.

So he told da troof.

No he didn't; the Empire was just as corrupt as what came before.

This idea that, from Palpatine's POV, the Jedi are corrupt is in error. He doesn't have a relatavistic view on corruption. He simply DESIRES a corrupt system- he needed it to be that way.

It doesn't do to overcomplicate Star Wars. Corruption helped kill the Republic, buit Palpatine was at the heart of that.

So yes, that was an out and out lie of his to say he would put an end to corruption (and even if you play the 'relativity' card, it's still a deliberate attempt to deceive the listener; trying to weasle out like that would be to miss the point of what a lie is).

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The game is so totally out of whack with canon anyway, who cares how they bring him back?

Originally posted by Ushgarak
The game is so totally out of whack with canon anyway, who cares how they bring him back?

Originally posted by Ushgarak
No he didn't; the Empire was just as corrupt as what came before.

This idea that, from Palpatine's POV, the Jedi are corrupt is in error. He doesn't have a relatavistic view on corruption. He simply DESIRES a corrupt system- he needed it to be that way.

It doesn't do to overcomplicate Star Wars. Corruption helped kill the Republic, buit Palpatine was at the heart of that.

So yes, that was an out and out lie of his to say he would put an end to corruption (and even if you play the 'relativity' card, it's still a deliberate attempt to deceive the listener; trying to weasle out like that would be to miss the point of what a lie is).

I respectfully disagree. 🙂

Originally posted by Ushgarak
The game is so totally out of whack with canon anyway, who cares how they bring him back?

As long as it is not too farfetched (by Star Wars standards!), then I will be happy with it! However...even if it is...I guess it won't make much of a difference. 😛

true - tfu is about the gameplay, and beating down enemies with fancy timed action sequences 😛

Originally posted by Ushgarak
No he didn't; the Empire was just as corrupt as what came before.

No, it was much less corrupt. Corruption was more concentrated among individuals instead of a vast Republic from many of the politicians. I'm referring to the getting rid of many corrupt politicians and substituting for one corrupt individual. How is that not getting rid of a massive amount of political corruption?

No matter what I say, you will not agree. I know how it is with you. I won't post on this topic again 'cause it will lead to a warning or a ban.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
No he didn't; the Empire was just as corrupt as what came before.

This idea that, from Palpatine's POV, the Jedi are corrupt is in error. He doesn't have a relatavistic view on corruption. He simply DESIRES a corrupt system- he needed it to be that way.

It doesn't do to overcomplicate Star Wars. Corruption helped kill the Republic, buit Palpatine was at the heart of that.

So yes, that was an out and out lie of his to say he would put an end to corruption (and even if you play the 'relativity' card, it's still a deliberate attempt to deceive the listener; trying to weasle out like that would be to miss the point of what a lie is).

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The game is so totally out of whack with canon anyway, who cares how they bring him back?

it's true, palpatines actions throughout the saga were all planned to the tee, apart from his demise (though if you believe Dark Empire then he even forsaw his demise). but corruption is purely subjective, all politicians that are seen as corrupt by "the people" truely believe they are doing what they do for the "greater good"...it just so happens that to a particular audience, they're doing the wrong thing

I see this as competition for god of war 3.