Draft Round 1: Batdude123 and TheKahn's Holiday Herald Tournament

Started by Kris Blaze11 pages

Originally posted by Starscream M
you should get rage or naija to team up

Rage has his hands full with his upcoming Thor Respect thread. I need a loser like Steve, with incredible amounts of spare time. Not someone who's got their plate full with school and stuff 😖hifty:

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Rage has his hands full with his upcoming Thor Respect thread. I need a loser like Steve, with incredible amounts of spare time. Not someone who's got their plate full with school and stuff 😖hifty:
actually rage and naija wouldn't be good partners for you because your knowledge base seems to overlap, you should get someone knowledgeable about DC on your side

Silver Surfer can replicate just about all of Genis-Vell abilities feat for feat. Minus the Eternity/Entropy killing feat. I am not interested nor is it wise for me to bring it up. It was a vary convoluted moment, and not vary well explained. It hurts, that Entropy (an established cosmic) heavily took part of that feat.

But just about everything else is fair game right? Minus Dr. Strange (I am not vary knowledgeable, and its Kandy’s pick). This is more or less my attempt, in using obscure characters.

I would like to argue Genis should be allowed. IMO, there is absolutely nothing that would make him more than a high-end herald. Even if you take him from his "insane" era, he does very little that SS couldn't do, and even those few times were just a result of some powers he has that SS doesn't. He was never shown to have the sort of raw power that makes him a threat to this tournament. I'm a bit bothered that he was automatically banned, without me even getting a chance to argue my case here.

Originally posted by id369
Silver Surfer can replicate just about all of Genis-Vell abilities feat for feat. Minus the Eternity/Entropy killing feat. I am not interested nor is it wise for me to bring it up. It was a vary convoluted moment, and not vary well explained. It hurts, that Entropy (an established cosmic) heavily took part of that feat.

But just about everything else is fair game right? Minus Dr. Strange (I am not vary knowledgeable, and its Kandy’s pick). This is more or less my attempt, in using obscure characters.

Its perfectly fine to try and use more obscure characters and is a pretty smart tactic in general. The general rule we are trying to follow is if the character is generally considered comparable to the typical "herald" characters like Silver Surfer, Thor, Superman, Green Lantern, etc.

I was thinking of Insane Genis btw, not regular.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
I was thinking of Insane Genis btw, not regular.

That's pretty interesting since iirc you argued in the tier thread that there was no way he should be bumped to trans.

I think even if you do use his insane feats, there's nothing concrete pointing to him being above herald. He has no feats a character like SS couldn't have accomplished.

This is why I said we need to bring in the judges to help with the call.

Majority vote will decide the Genis matter.

I'd like to know why he was considered an issue in the first place? What exactly is it about him that makes a vote called for? Just because people have the "conception" that he's above herald?

Originally posted by batdude123
This is why I said we need to bring in the judges to help with the call.

Majority vote will decide the Genis matter.

I don't think that's necessary.

King Kandy has made a pretty strong statement: that there's NOTHING genis did that Surfer couldn't replicate.

Is this true?

If the answer is yes, that I think he should be allowed as why else would surfer be allowed but someone of equal ability be barred.

If the answer is no, then it would provide reason not to allow him.

So can anyone point to something that Genis has done that Surfer could not? that would settle the matter imho

UPDATE: Me and Kris Blaze will be teaming up together for the Tourny, and our pick will be my original pick, which was Thor.

Team Kris Blaze/JaketheBank:

Thor: http://marvel.wikia.com/Thor_(Thor_Odinson)

I'm not an expert on Genis by any means, but his feats like beating King Thor, Magus, and Thanatos that worry me. 😬

Originally posted by TheKahn
I'm not an expert on Genis by any means, but his feats like beating King Thor, Magus, and Thanatos that worry me. 😬

He did not beat King Thor.

Not ****ing close 😐

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
UPDATE: Me and Kris Blaze will be teaming up together for the Tourny, and our pick will be my original pick, which was Thor.

Team Kris Blaze/JaketheBank:

Thor: http://marvel.wikia.com/Thor_(Thor_Odinson)

how apropos 🙂

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
He did not beat King Thor.

Not ****ing close 😐

Just going by his respect thread. So is there any objection from the other participants about them using Genis?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
UPDATE: Me and Kris Blaze will be teaming up together for the Tourny, and our pick will be my original pick, which was Thor.

Team Kris Blaze/JaketheBank:

Thor: http://marvel.wikia.com/Thor_(Thor_Odinson)

👆 Loki is now available to anyone.

I need to clarify.

He didn’t beat Thanatos. Thor, Genis, and Thanos collective might failed to put him down.
He fought a Ghost of Magus, and did not entirely beat him.
And his fight with King Thor was at best a test of will. You know Thor’s Hammer Toss versus Genis Force Field. Inconclusive match that lasted a few panels.

King Thor is probably the highlight, but this goes back to what I said earlier. Every character has a high moment. Surfer, Superman, GL Hal, Thor….even Beta Ray Bill.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Just going by his respect thread. So is there any objection from the other participants about them using Genis?

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/4794/captainmarveliv07p207lr.jpg
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/1026/captainmarveliv07p219nk.jpg
This is not beating King Thor buddy.

Originally posted by TheKahn
I'm not an expert on Genis by any means, but his feats like beating King Thor, Magus, and Thanatos that worry me. 😬

King Thor: All that happened, was that King Thor hit him with mjolnir once, and then the fight stopped because Sturm and Drang showed up.

Magus: That magus was just a wraith at the time, far from full power... and for most of the fight, he was kicking Genis's ass anyway. What happened is that when Magus tried to absorb him, apparently his c. awareness made him draw power from the universe itself again... note that in fact this didn't even hurt magus, as in the last page of the issue it's shown it actually completed his ressurection.

Thanatos: I'll admit, I never read this one, but it happened pre-insane so I doubt it was that impressive since pre-insane genis most don't even think is close to SS.

Ok, we're discussing/reconsidering Genis right now. We should have an answer directly.