Kubik vs galactus

Started by SoulDevourer4 pages

Originally posted by Utrigita
[B]

The Cube wasn't used alone, three other artifacts was used.
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/4540/fftwgcm11odingalactusrivals4li.jpg
Those in combination allowed Doom to steal Galactus power.

but its the cube that give the power to do it! the others only tell him *how* to do it
The Cube's powerlevel doesn't have influence on whether ore not it can be used to steal the power of a given Character imo,
IMO it does, i mean that make sense: if a cube can drain galactus then its simple it means cube> galactus

galactus should of overloaded the cube or somethin, if he was realy more powerfull! 😕

Scan?
ima try find one 🙁 iirc its when a bunch o monsters attack Doom, the cube falls outa his armor, Reed catch it & use it to drain Doom of the power he stole from Galactus
In one of the instances the utilizer (in this case Doom) knew that he had to rely on his targets unawerness in order to drain his target else he knew he would die, Galactus is hardly unaware in his fight against Kubik.
i know, Doom said somethin like "galactus stirs but its too late"

but once galactus was aware he should of still be able to block the transfer. its not like galactus was sleepin the whole time 😬

Doom has utilized Galactus power to warp reality around him when he initially got them, his mortal mind combined with the power of Galactus warped reality around him,
🤨 he used the *cube* to do that! (he did it even before he stole big Gs power)
cubes a kinda like genie & lamp & all that, they can grant wishes

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
but its the cube that give the power to do it! the others only tell him *how* to do it

Not exactly, if you actually reads the scans concerning the actual transfer, it's Doom's tech that allows him to steal Galactus power while the CCU allowed Doom to arrive at the spot to drain Galactus.

http://s238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Statements%20of%20power/?action=view&current=FFWGCM1007.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Statements%20of%20power/FFWGCM1011.jpg

And if the Cube in itself was enough why bring the whole gear along with him?

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
IMO it does, i mean that make sense: if a cube can drain galactus then its simple it means cube> galactus

You just completely shipped the part with Galactus defeating the power of Five Cosmic Cubes didn't you?

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
galactus should of overloaded the cube or somethin, if he was realy more powerfull! 😕

So Galactus should have overloaded Klaw? Doom knew that he had to use different artifacts in order to control the power he was about to receive from Galactus, and the moment the process had begun Galactus couldn't (because he like always underestimate his mortal opponents, PIS for the win) stop the transfer, just like Surfer couldn't stop Doom when Doom drained him the first time around.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
ima try find one 🙁 iirc its when a bunch o monsters attack Doom, the cube falls outa his armor, Reed catch it & use it to drain Doom of the power he stole from Galactusi know, Doom said somethin like "galactus stirs but its too late"

Find and post please.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
but once galactus was aware he should of still be able to block the transfer. its not like galactus was sleepin the whole time 😬

In a PIS free enviroment he can, as shown when he blocked the Elders attack with the soul gems and drew back the energy that was robbed from him. Another example is during Secret Wars where Doom sneakes around on Taa II (a ship the size of a Solar System) and gets located by Galactus and expelled, Galactus could have done the same, but Doom back then meant as much to him as volcanos tearing away 1/3 of a entire planet he was about to fed on. It speaks for Galactus personal powerlevel imo, that Doom with the Cosmic Cube is still just a insect to him.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
🤨 he used the cube to do that (he did it even before he stole big Gs power)

Doom has stolen Galactus power two times, the first time he utilized Klaw to steal the power from Taa II the second time he utilized his personal tech. The Power Cosmic Siphon Harness.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Not exactly, if you actually reads the scans concerning the actual transfer, it's Doom's tech that allows him to steal Galactus power while the CCU allowed Doom to arrive at the spot to drain Galactus.
but what powers his tech??
(cuz if that tech alone did the job then it woud mean Dooms tech > Galactus tech ! 😬)
http://s238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Statements%20of%20power/?action=view&current=FFWGCM1007.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Statements%20of%20power/FFWGCM1011.jpg

And if the Cube in itself was enough why bring the whole gear along with him?

maybe he brought it with him because he needs that stuff to "harness" the cubes power like he say in the 1st scan
You just completely shipped the part with Galactus defeating the power of Five Cosmic Cubes didn't you?
cuz i dont remeber how that went exacly...scan???
(i know that once Warlock himself had 5 cubes and he killed galactus with them or somethin...)
Find and post please.
ok thats the one:

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/8162/cubeownspc.jpg 😎

if PC is rilly > cube then doom should of been able to block the cube jus like Galactus should of been able to block it *after* the transfer began


In a PIS free enviroment he can,
then its PIS, cuz thats the only good explenation sofar 😬

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
but what powers his tech??
(cuz if that tech alone did the job then it woud mean Dooms tech > Galactus tech ! 😬)

I'm 99% certain that Doom used Galactus' tech to steal the Beyonder's power.


cuz i dont remeber how that went exacly...scan???

Eternity and infinity were catatonic because the magus used his cc's to bind them. Galactus removed their restraints (using Gamora as a "scalpel" in performing cosmic "surgery"😉 which enabled them to be free. This allowed Eternity to tell the Living Tribunal that he wishes for the infinity gems to be working in unison to use against Magus.

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
I'm 99% certain that Doom used Galactus' tech to steal the Beyonder's power.

He did.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
but what powers his tech??
(cuz if that tech alone did the job then it woud mean Dooms tech > Galactus tech ! 😬)

What about a standard powersource? And No it doesn't, A guy with a gun can still kill a guy with a laser cannon if the guy with the laser is caught unaware. And ofcause Doom himself has stated that Galactus utilizes technology he can only dream of having or making. Technology that can easily conquer ore destroy Galaxies.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
maybe he brought it with him because he needs that stuff to "harness" the cubes power like he say in the 1st scan

The Cosmic Rod that he stole from Annihilus, the Rod that he allowed him to harness the power of the Cosmic Cube, the Cube that he in turns used to bring himself across the universe, does he however speak about him using the Cosmic Cube to drain Galactus power like you claim he did? No. What did Doom need actually? A hell lot more then just the Cosmic Cube.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
cuz i dont remeber how that went exacly...scan???
(i know that once Warlock himself had 5 cubes and he killed galactus with them or somethin...)

http://i238.photobucket.com/album...scalpel/galactushealseternity.jpg
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Originally posted by SoulDevourer
ok thats the one:

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/9954/cubeownsdoom.jpg 😎

if PC is rilly > cube then doom should of been able to block the cube jus like Galactus should of been able to block it *after* the transfer began

There is just the slight difference that Doom isn't owner of the PC like Galactus is, if someone disruptes the connection between Galactus and the Power Cosmic, the Power Cosmic will (if not kept by a vessel like Doom in this case) return to Galactus, that was shown when Reed somehow managed to seperate Galan from the Power Cosmic, Galan that willingly exiled himself to a alternate Dimension but the Power Cosmic still located him and transformed him back into Galactus, I roughly see the same being the case here, The Power Cosmic is released and returns to it's owner. Doom wasn't the owner hence he needed his Cosmic Harness to arquire the Power Cosmic in the first place.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
then its PIS, cuz thats the only explenation 😬

Well given the factor that Galactus has located Doom aboard a ship the size of a Solar System found him and expelled him, I find it to be PIS that Galactus can't sense Doom before it's too late. But that is just imo.

Originally posted by Utrigita
[B]What about a standard powersource? And No it doesn't, A guy with a gun can still kill a guy with a laser cannon if the guy with the laser is caught unaware.
not same thing, here galactus IS his power!! so if dooms tech can affect galactus like u say it did then it mean dooms tech > galactus tech
its like saying the bullet coud melt the laser beam itself or somethin. lol

btw its not like galactus was sleeping & lost his power all @ once, he had time to react even after it begun

The Cosmic Rod that he stole from Annihilus, the Rod that he allowed him to harness the power of the Cosmic Cube, the Cube that he in turns used to bring himself across the universe, does he however speak about him using the Cosmic Cube to drain Galactus power like you claim he did? No. What did Doom need actually? A hell lot more then just the Cosmic Cube.
no he dont say it but its obvious the cube is wut does allmost all the job, the rest only help him use the cube
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they dont work

There is just the slight difference that Doom isn't owner of the PC like Galactus is, if someone disruptes the connection between Galactus and the Power Cosmic, the Power Cosmic will (if not kept by a vessel like Doom in this case) return to Galactus, that was shown when Reed somehow managed to seperate Galan from the Power Cosmic, Galan that willingly exiled himself to a alternate Dimension but the Power Cosmic still located him and transformed him back into Galactus, I roughly see the same being the case here, The Power Cosmic is released and returns to it's owner. Doom wasn't the owner hence he needed his Cosmic Harness to arquire the Power Cosmic in the first place.

but doom was aware that reed had the cube, so he should of been able to counter the cubes effect with his own power! else why did he bother steal Power Comic if any cube could just take it back?
Well given the factor that Galactus has located Doom aboard a ship the size of a Solar System found him and expelled him, I find it to be PIS that Galactus can't sense Doom before it's too late. But that is just imo.
actualy its PIS that it was ever too late. IF galactus > cube then he should of been able to stop the cube from draining him even AFTER it begin to drain him

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
I'm 99% certain that Doom used Galactus' tech to steal the Beyonder's power.
so that means galactus tech> beyonders power
(and dooms tech > galactus tech)

but beyonders not as powerfull as a full cube right?

Eternity and infinity were catatonic because the magus used his cc's to bind them. Galactus removed their restraints (using Gamora as a "scalpel" in performing cosmic "surgery"😉 which enabled them to be free. This allowed Eternity to tell the Living Tribunal that he wishes for the infinity gems to be working in unison to use against Magus.
ok
but it dont sound like a 1:1 fight Galactus vs cubes. did Magus try stop Galactus with those cubes??

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
so that means galactus tech> beyonders power
(and dooms tech > galactus tech)

but beyonders not as powerfull as a full cube right?

No, it means shut up.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
not same thing, here galactus IS his power!! so if dooms tech can affect galactus like u say it did then it mean dooms tech > galactus tech
its like saying the bullet coud melt the laser beam itself or somethin. lol

Not exactly, did Doom utilize the technology he brought with him directly on Galactus Technology and defeated it? No he didn't, he utilized his technology on Galactus himself when he got into contact with him. There is nothing in that panel that suggest that Doom's tech > Galactus tech. There is however the notation that Doom required all the knowlegde in the universe in order to built a device capable of draining Galactus.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
no he dont say it but its obvious the cube is wut does allmost all the job, the rest only help him use the cube

So what did he then use to power it with when he stole the Power Cosmic from the Silver Surfer? You are speculating that the Cube did all the job while on the scans themselves no such thing is even slightly hinted. All that is mentioned concerning the cube, is that he used it to transport him across the Universe, and that in his opinion (with all knowlegde blah blah) Galactus power > that of the Cube.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
they dont work

hmmm... works fine for me, they are in Respect Heralds and Galactus or something like that.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
but doom was aware that reed had the cube, so he should of been able to counter the cubes effect with his own power! else why did he bother steal Power Comic if any cube could just take it back?

When Reed pointes out that he has it Doom became aware of it. Doom wasn't aware beforehand and as Reed says Doom will in his arrogance underestimate the power of the Cosmic Cube, which he did instead of killing Reed with a thought he played directly into Reed hands. You can turn around and say; why did he go after the power of Galactus if the Cube is much more powerful then Galactus? that doesn't make any sense either.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
actualy its PIS that it was ever too late. IF galactus > cube then he should of been able to stop the cube from draining him even AFTER it begin to drain him

Yeah that would be a brilliant story wouldn't it? But anyways back to my earlier point, Galactus was also incapable of stopping Doom when Doom utilized Klaw to steal Galactus power from Taa II and Klaw is miles below Galactus powerlevel, hence my earlier mentioning that the power of the object you use to steal the power of a given Character doesn't have to be stronger then the given Character in order to have a effect that you can't halt.

Originally posted by Utrigita
All that is mentioned concerning the cube, is that he used it to transport him across the Universe,
but that woud mean the cubes only feat here is transport at FTL speed. even herald lvl can do that, not much of a feat for somethin thats suppose to be omnipotent lol
hmmm... works fine for me, they are in Respect Heralds and Galactus or something like that.
click on them they aint workin!
When Reed pointes out that he has it Doom became aware of it. Doom wasn't aware beforehand and as Reed says Doom will in his arrogance underestimate the power of the Cosmic Cube, which he did instead of killing Reed with a thought he played directly into Reed hands.
but onpanel he realize it was "THE cosmic cube" before Reed use it! (he knew what the cosmic cube can do). if doom was more powerfull then he would of put up some defense, i dunno, like a sheild to block the cubes effect...anything...
You can turn around and say; why did he go after the power of Galactus if the Cube is much more powerful then Galactus? that doesn't make any sense either.
hey i agre galactus SHOUD be > ccube! but thats not what is show onpanel 😬
Yeah that would be a brilliant story wouldn't it?
but at least there be no PIS 😛
But anyways back to my earlier point, Galactus was also incapable of stopping Doom when Doom utilized Klaw to steal Galactus power from Taa II and Klaw is miles below Galactus powerlevel, hence my earlier mentioning that the power of the object you use to steal the power of a given Character doesn't have to be stronger then the given Character in order to have a effect that you can't halt.
ima say it does! if A can drain B then A > B. else it just PIS 😬
Originally posted by Mindset
No, it means shut up.
make me 💃

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
make me 💃
Originally posted by SoulDevourer
but that woud mean the cubes only feat here is transport at FTL speed. even herald lvl can do that, not much of a feat for somethin thats suppose to be omnipotent lol

Doom used the Cosmic Cube before that incident to among other things BFR Uatu to some far away Dimension, Uatu was using a device he had to momentarily overcome Doom with the CCU IIRC but Doom tricked him can't recall the specifics.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
[B]click on them they aint workin!

Again mine is working, but possibly because I accessed them before posting them either way here we go again.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Energy%20manipulation/Gamora%20scalpel/galactushealseternity.jpg
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Originally posted by SoulDevourer
[B]but onpanel he realize it was "THE cosmic cube" before Reed use it! (he knew what the cosmic cube can do). if doom was more powerfull then he would of put up some defense, i dunno, like a sheild to block the cubes effect...anything...

Yeah because Reeds tells it too Doom, Reed directly tells him "have you in your arrogance forgotten the power that the Cube wields" It's pretty obvious that if Doom at that point haven't figured out what Reed held he is a idiot, and if Doom actually had erected a shield or had turned Reed into slime or jelly the outcome wouldn't have been as the reader wishes it to be. Reed using a device to overcome the evil Doctor Doom. Just like there wouldn't have been a story if Galactus had erased Doom the moment he teleported near him.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
[B]hey i agre galactus SHOUD be > ccube! but thats not what is show onpanel 😬

I disagree, we have Doom with the CCU being afraid of Galactus noticing him and then we have Doom being cheapshotted by Reed, so to say that it's not shown on panel is wrong imo. Also the Eternity Infinity incidents reposted above.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
[B]ima say it does! if A can drain B then A > B. else it just PIS 😬

So everytime someone in using his power or intellect or something else to attain the power of someone more powerful then him it's PIS?

Originally posted by Mindset
😂
Originally posted by Utrigita

So everytime someone in using his power or intellect or something else to attain the power of someone more powerful then him it's PIS?
if its more then just his intellect & if he use his power direcly on the other guys power then yeah its PIS & i tought u agree w/that. without PIS Galactus should of been able to stop the transfer even after Doom start it, same for Doom with Reed (if PC > cube that is)

now take MXYZPTLK & Joker for exemple, Joker dint use brute force or somethin, he only tricked mxy into giving him his power, so its wasnt PIS just plane stupidity for mxy 😄

CCU > Galactus ... all day.

(even against Abstracts) ... this of course depends on the will of user.

ie. In the hands of someone like Thanos ... CCU > Eternity.

btw. By the time Galactus freed Eternity/Infinity,
Magus had already detached himself from the CCUs,
therefore the CCUs were acting on their own,
and since the CCUs have/had no reason to keep Eternity/Inifnity binded,
I'm sure those CCUs allowed Galactus to perform his surgery.

Otherwise, it makes no sense that Galactus can counter a force,
that Eternity/Infinity are vulnerable to.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Are you gonna take that Bran?
?

Oh, knowsbleed copying what I do, and failing to do it right?

Originally posted by Mr Master
CCU > Galactus ... all day.

(even against Abstracts) ... this of course depends on the will of user.

ie. In the hands of someone like Thanos ... CCU > Eternity.

btw. By the time Galactus freed Eternity/Infinity,
Magus had already detached himself from the CCUs,
therefore the CCUs were acting on their own,
and since the CCUs have/had no reason to keep Eternity/Inifnity binded,
I'm sure those CCUs allowed Galactus to perform his surgery.

Otherwise, it makes no sense that Galactus can counter a force,
that Eternity/Infinity are vulnerable to.

Galactus healing Eternity was all part of Magus's plan:

Here magus describes thanos and warlock as major chess pieces while galactus and eternity are only secondary
http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu111/Rotiart26/INFINTYWARS03-11.jpg
in this issue we see the secondary piece galactus heading to the room of manifestation... and soon after magus comes to capture warlock
http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu111/Rotiart26/INFINTYWARS04-33.jpg
here magus tells us how those pieces fit in:
http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu111/Rotiart26/INFINTYWARS_05-11.jpg

Originally posted by Mr Master
CCU > Galactus ... all day.

(even against Abstracts) ... this of course depends on the will of user.

ie. In the hands of someone like Thanos ... CCU > Eternity.

btw. By the time Galactus freed Eternity/Infinity,
Magus had already detached himself from the CCUs,
therefore the CCUs were acting on their own,
and since the CCUs have/had no reason to keep Eternity/Inifnity binded,
I'm sure those CCUs allowed Galactus to perform his surgery.

Otherwise, it makes no sense that Galactus can counter a force,
that Eternity/Infinity are vulnerable to.

This is only ONE cube though.
Infinity and Eternity were caught off guard(stated on panel). Nova and Galactus noticed and went to help, thus falling for Magus's trap.

There is on panel evidence supporting both CC>Galactus, and Galactus>CC

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
if its more then just his intellect & if he use his power direcly on the other guys power then yeah its PIS & i tought u agree w/that. without PIS Galactus should of been able to stop the transfer even after Doom start it, same for Doom with Reed (if PC > cube that is)

now take MXYZPTLK & Joker for exemple, Joker dint use brute force or somethin, he only tricked mxy into giving him his power, so its wasnt PIS just plane stupidity for mxy 😄

The possibility that the other guy might because of his intellect know a way to get around the other guys slight ore large difference in power hasn't croseed your mind? As already mentioned I agree with that but primarily because I have already seen Galactus halt such a attempt to drain his power.

I was under the impression that Mxy only meant to give Joker 1% of his power but instead gave him 99% of it, seems more like a mistake then trickery from Joker, and that example isn't imo very good in this context, primarily because we are dealing with a situation where what one guy wanted doesn't play a part.

Originally posted by Utrigita
The possibility that the other guy might because of his intellect know a way to get around the other guys slight ore large difference in power hasn't croseed your mind? As already mentioned I agree with that but primarily because I have already seen Galactus halt such a attempt to drain his power.
its still PIS & intelect dont change nothing here, once he start draining the Power Cosmic there was no "get around" the other guys power, he went against it head on (thats what i been tryin to tell u)
if PC > cube then he should of been able to stop the transfer

see it that way : if your armwrestlin with someone whose stronger then u, even if your 1000x smarter then the other guy your still gonna lose 10/10 & intelect change nothing 😄

same thing here it was cube vs PC 1-on-1 and cube won, so either its PIS or what Mr Master said is true and cube > PC (btw u read his post? ^^)

I was under the impression that Mxy only meant to give Joker 1% of his power but instead gave him 99% of it, seems more like a mistake then trickery from Joker, and that example isn't imo very good in this context, primarily because we are dealing with a situation where what one guy wanted doesn't play a part.
nope iirc mxy told Supe that Joker had trick him with the 1% - 99% thing