A UNIVERSE FROM NOTHING {creation ex nihilo}

Started by Red Nemesis8 pages

Second law of thermodynamics.

The video explained this: there is 0 energy in the universe and so the second law was not violated by the big bang. Entropy in a system increases- regional decreases are totally legit. (Hence: LIFE)

Might I present to you: galileo's captors, the catholic church. Now, i know you're going to laugh and say religion censored g's findings on astrology, but consider today's government.

Not many people would say that at all. You see, most people ignore nonsense like astrology.

Your argument is weak even if we give you the benefit of the doubt and edit that to astronomy. You suggest that we "consider today's government" but fail to point out what should be taken into account as relevant data. Do we need to analyze the DMV? The EPA? Memorize the reams of data from the various statistical workups? And anyway, which government? Saudi Arabia? China?


Do you know how we got out of the great depression, for instance? Do you know that you are a piece of property belonging to the banks that bought america out and that your birth cirtificate is proof of purchase?

Relevance? Implications? Proof?

It is really easy to be nebulous and anti-establishment. It takes more work (I'm just looking for any thought at all right now) to prove your allegations or (gasp!) offer an alternative.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis

Relevance? Implications? Proof?

It is really easy to be nebulous and anti-establishment. It takes more work (I'm just looking for any thought at all right now) to prove your allegations or (gasp!) offer an alternative.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173&ei=mzhOS-_8Ko70qAO6pIXxAw&q=freedom+to+facism+full+movie&hl=en&view=3#

Originally posted by One Free Man
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173&ei=mzhOS-_8Ko70qAO6pIXxAw&q=freedom+to+facism+full+movie&hl=en&view=3#

Some of us don't have two hours to listen to drivel. Summarize the process.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Some of us don't have two hours to listen to drivel. Summarize the process.
he decides to try and find the law where we have to pay income tax and can't. none of the government will talk to him at all, so he continues on "super-size me" style to show that we are owned by the government and our freedom is an illusion, that we are just here to generate resources for the banks, not for ourselves.

But is a serf really a serf if he doesn't know he's a serf? that's why its genius.

Originally posted by One Free Man
he decides to try and find the law where we have to pay income tax and can't.

Revenue Act of 1861 and the 16th Amendment.

Well that didn't take me very long at all.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Revenue Act of 1861 and the 16th Amendment.

Well that didn't take me very long at all.


But that's because you are not a conspiracist.

Originally posted by Mindship
Confusion can result from lack of consistent definitions. Basically: the Hubble volume - the observable universe of space, matter and energy - is apparently of finite age. But there are unification theories which postulate a "multiverse", ie, a far vaster context in which our Hubble volume occurs. This could well be the infinite Something Which Always Was. Or, far more sublime, the infinite SWAW could be "Consciousness As Such" or "God" (whatever these may mean). Or it could just be "energy" in the most basic sense, which always was. The important thing, IMO, is that SWAW is a simpler proposition than Something which has a beginning. And science tends to prefer the more simple to the less simple, at least as a starting point.

God IMO.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
God IMO.

Which one?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Which one?
god can have any name some one calls him. all the gods people worship "should" all be the same being really they just know him by different names.
but i doubt people like "odin" or "zeus" can even exist (better yet be the god) since there not omnipotent. the basis of "GOD" is a being which created the universe. dont forget god is not a physical being like us. the guy can be pure energy which the universe came from.(like in comics the pheonix force created the universe but its not even physical being its just a force). people think god is a "magical being" thats not even the case

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
god can have any name some one calls him. all the gods people worship "should" all be the same being really they just know him by different names.
but i doubt people like "odin" or "zeus" can even exist (better yet be the god) since there not omnipotent. the basis of "GOD" is a being which created the universe.

Ra, then?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Ra, then?
no, ra isnt omnipotent he is a physical being(also dont exist). did you even read my post?

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
no, ra isnt omnipotent he is a physical being(also dont exist). did you even read my post?

Ya, and it did not answer my question.

So, if the god is physical, then that disqualifies him/her? Then Christianity's god is eliminated.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Ya, and it did not answer my question.

So, if the god is physical, then that disqualifies him/her? Then Christianity's god is eliminated.

how does a physical being have omnipotence? thats impossible. the cristian god is not truely a physical being. he created that physical body to appear to "man" or else we wouldnt even concieve what he is. also christian people dont have there own god, its just a group of people from a different region who called there group christians, while others called themselves catholic or whatever. its the same god they follow

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
how does a physical being have omnipotence? thats impossible. the cristian god is not truely a physical being. he created that physical body to appear to "man" or else we wouldnt even concieve what he is.

Well, if you were talking about the Christian god, then why didn't you say so?

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
the guy can be pure energy which the universe came from.(like in comics the pheonix force created the universe but its not even physical being its just a force)

There's no such thing as "pure energy" outside of comics, movies and such.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Well, if you were talking about the Christian god, then why didn't you say so?
because not only christians belive in him, christians is what a group of people call themselves like catholics or jews. they all follow the same "god" really

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
There's no such thing as "pure energy" outside of comics, movies and such.
how do you have any proof of this like what your saying is 100% fact? it can be beyond energy..like a "force" where the univer came from.....

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
because not only christians belive in him, christians is what a group of people call themselves like catholics or jews. they all follow the same "god" really

First off, the Christian god is not omnipotent. Second, Catholics are Christians. And lastly, Christianity is an off shoot from Judaism, so of course they worship the same god.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
First off, the Christian god is not omnipotent. Second, Catholics are Christians. And lastly, Christianity is an off shoot from Judaism, so of course they worship the same god.
the christian god is omnipotent....

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
how do you have any proof of this like what your saying is 100% fact?

Energy is a concept, specifically "the capacity to do work". You can't have "pure energy" and more than you can have "pure heavy".