Originally posted by Omega Vision
Batman already has his plans to take them down so while everyone else is prepping he takes them out preemptively.
And that enough of an answer for everyone? No details are needed on exactly what those plans are, how effective they would be in this scenario, or how he's going to implement them across the globe while avoiding the other characters gunning for him?
Huh. mhmm
Originally posted by TheKahn
And that enough of an answer for everyone? No details are needed on exactly what those plans are, how effective they would be in this scenario, or how he's going to implement them across the globe while avoiding the other characters gunning for him?Huh. mhmm
* J'onn J'onzz is covered with nanites that converted the outer layer of his skin to magnesium, causing him to burst into flame on exposure to air. He later survives by wearing an airtight water-filled suit provided by Aquaman, then waiting till he sheds enough skin cells to function normally (something the trap's designer, Batman, ignored because he did not expect J'onn to survive so long).
* Aquaman is rendered hydrophobic due to an altered form of the Scarecrow's fear toxin. Without water, he would die in a matter of hours. J'onn uses his telepathy to help him overcome the effects of the toxin.
* Plastic Man is frozen solid, then shattered by a hammer by one of Ra's' henchmen; Flash subsequently sticks him back together and allows him to heal himself.
* Green Lantern is rendered blind by his own power ring after a post-hypnotic suggestion is introduced into his mind while he sleeps, the ring subsequently responding to his belief that he is blind by making him so.
* Thanks to a nanite through her ear, Wonder Woman is trapped in a virtual reality battle which will eventually cause her heart to give out.
* A specially designed "vibra-bullet" strikes Flash in the back of the neck, causing him to experience seizures at lightspeed; he apparently experienced days of agony in only twenty-two minutes.
* Superman's skin becomes transparent after exposure to Red Kryptonite, causing him to suffer a power overload as the sunlight that provides his powers is beamed directly into his muscles.
From Wikipedia.
Originally posted by Kherani
* J'onn J'onzz is covered with nanites that converted the outer layer of his skin to magnesium, causing him to burst into flame on exposure to air. He later survives by wearing an airtight water-filled suit provided by Aquaman, then waiting till he sheds enough skin cells to function normally (something the trap's designer, Batman, ignored because he did not expect J'onn to survive so long).
* Aquaman is rendered hydrophobic due to an altered form of the Scarecrow's fear toxin. Without water, he would die in a matter of hours. J'onn uses his telepathy to help him overcome the effects of the toxin.
* Plastic Man is frozen solid, then shattered by a hammer by one of Ra's' henchmen; Flash subsequently sticks him back together and allows him to heal himself.
* Green Lantern is rendered blind by his own power ring after a post-hypnotic suggestion is introduced into his mind while he sleeps, the ring subsequently responding to his belief that he is blind by making him so.
* Thanks to a nanite through her ear, Wonder Woman is trapped in a virtual reality battle which will eventually cause her heart to give out.
* A specially designed "vibra-bullet" strikes Flash in the back of the neck, causing him to experience seizures at lightspeed; he apparently experienced days of agony in only twenty-two minutes.
* Superman's skin becomes transparent after exposure to Red Kryptonite, causing him to suffer a power overload as the sunlight that provides his powers is beamed directly into his muscles.From Wikipedia.
All those were effective due to drastically different circumstances than the ones in this scenario being essentially one-sided and arguably impossible for Batman to replicate here given the sheer magnitude of resources Ra's Al Ghul was able to call upon to implement them.
If Batman is supposedly the most dangerous person among the fighters as some believe, what's to stop the rest of the contestants taking him out well before he's able to do anything as elaborate as the above?
I've said it before and I'll say it again...
Bat-prep is overrated outside of a very specific set of plot circumstances.
I think Supes would go straight for the batcave and try to off Batman in seconds. Batman knows that's going to happen and pulls out his piece of kryptonite and were down one superman. In that scenario I'd have Captain Marvel as the last one standing even over Flash. I think Flash eventually gets tagged by one of the strong speedy types.
The thing about CM is, he really doesn't have any prep upgrades, does he? Not on his own at least- the Shadowpact boosted him with the freely offered magic of every mage on Earth, but that's a different story, he can't do that on his own.
Nothing like destroying people's souls, transmuting the atmosphere, and so on.
Originally posted by Kasper GutmanSupes wouldn't go after Bat's first just because of that.. Superman gave Batman the Kryptonite -to- stop him. Why would he go run head-on into it?
I think Supes would go straight for the batcave and try to off Batman in seconds. Batman knows that's going to happen and pulls out his piece of kryptonite and were down one superman. In that scenario I'd have Captain Marvel as the last one standing even over Flash. I think Flash eventually gets tagged by one of the strong speedy types.
Hal might though, since he openly considers Batman the most dangerous of the team.
Some of the resources in Batman's cave probably justify the level of thinking too. Attacking him there is almost suicide.
Originally posted by Juntai
Supes wouldn't go after Bat's first just because of that.. Superman gave Batman the Kryptonite -to- stop him. Why would he go run head-on into it?Hal might though, since he openly considers Batman the most dangerous of the team.
Some of the resources in Batman's cave probably justify the level of thinking too. Attacking him there is almost suicide.
Why? Many of the fighters possess the ability to destroy the Batcave and presumably Batman from a safe distance (again in a bloodlusted scenario). I'm not sure how Batman survives full force heat vision or a GL energy attack from near obit for example much less how he would counter attack effectively.
Keep in mind that many of the characters have the ability to attack Batman within the first moments of the fight thanks to their speed. I'm not exactly how much time he going to have for "prep" anyway.
Give Batman a year or two in a completely one-sided prep scenario and give him the element of surprise to implement them, and he might have a chance of taking down the rest of the fighters. Other than that, he goes down hard against some of the most powerful characters in DC, imo.
Originally posted by Omega VisionJLA classified 45, Batman keeps a device that prevents Martian Manhunter's [kind of, someone is in his body trying to beat up the Justice League.] telepathy from working on him.
In a comic Batman would win but consider that Martian Manhunter can probably mind rape all of them save Wonder Woman without actually being close to them and then its just him vs Wonder Woman and I'd say he wins. So in KMC MM wins.
He also has a device that made his brainwaves untraceable to the white martians.
I also doubt it works on Superman or Captain Marvel[remember what happened when he tried to mentally attack Black Adam?].
And he'd probably have to outfight Aquaman, rather than mental battle him- which he can do, though.
Originally posted by DigiWith no time to prepare before hand, it's ludicrous to think that Batman would be able to defend against all 7 of the opponents who could kill him with a thought, faster than any one of them actually goes through with it.
I disagree that Batman loses by default in a PIS-free environment. It's not PIS that he has a plan to take down each one. It's who he is.Not saying he wins, necessarily. But discounting him in this kind of scenario is ludicrous. A speedblitz on the Batcave could work. Maybe. I assume it has defenses though. As soon as he's able to hide, though, sh*t would be on.
If (and this is a big if) Batman happens to have an immediate at-hand solution for each of his opponents, he needs to implement all of them, in addition to raising any defenses that the batcave has, and accessing a telepathy-blocking device before any one of his bloodlusted, planet-destroying opponents THINKS with superhuman speed that they want to kill batman.
In comics, given appropriate prep time and a plot that requires his presence, yes, that's who he is. Take away the need for Batman to survive, take away his prep time and make his opponents bloodlusted, he doesn't stand a chance.