Galan007
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Post #2
Originally posted by Omega Vision The omnidirectional blast probably won't do much more than inconvenience ST as seen here:http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/galan007_pics/regenerate_fire1.jpghttp://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/galan007_pics/regenerate_fire2.jpg
look at those scans carefully. while it is true that ST regrew after elemental firestorm laid waste to a portion of that battlefield, it obviously took him some time to do so. how do i know? because ST had barely completed his regrowth in the time it took FS to casually WALK over to his location. and since walter will have lended jason speed in the prep period, he (jason) would surely be able to reach ST's regrowth location WAY before ST reached full 'maturity' -- then comes the nuclear waste attack.
Originally posted by Omega Vision How can you accurately say that AS Superman's metabolism will be increased to such a level that he'll die within the time of the match? That's speculation on your part, he could die in two minutes or in two weeks.
understand that superman doesn't need to die in this battle in order to become all but useless. if you recall the all-star series itself, as superman's cells died, he began drastically weakening -- and that was with his normal metabolism. now take that into hyperdrive via wally-amp...
the main point is that wally's speed would hinder supes far more then it would help him.
Originally posted by Omega Vision As for Wally vs Walter, Walter had better control over his powers but he was also less stable and in their battle Wally wasn't really trying to fight, he was trying to talk him down so that's not an accurate assessment of his power.
heh. even after their battle, wally made a few different claims that walter was more powerful than he:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/2669377/walter_power2.jpg.htmlhttp://www.turboimagehost.com/p/2669378/walter_power3.jpg.htmleven the likes of jay, max, jesse, and impulse (all of whom know wally's capabilities VERY well) claimed that walter was "even faster than wally":
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/2669379/walter_speed4.jpg.html
that + their actual battle + walter's other exotic powers = walter > wally.
Originally posted by Omega Vision You ask for a scan of Swamp-Thing regenerating from nuclear waste and I ask for a scan of Firestorm creating it en mass.
FS doesn't have to create the waste in mass. he only needs to manifest sufficient amounts to coat his hand (which was all it took to 'kill' ST before [see our OP]).
furthermore, jason is merged with one of the most impressive minds in DC, aka. professor stein. his scientific genius aside, stein also spent YEARS as elemental firestorm, roaming throughout space and gathering knowledge. that said, questioning whether or not he would have sufficient intelligence to create simple nuclear waste is laughable at best... especially when you consider the plethora of exotic materials FS has whipped up in the past.
Originally posted by xJLxKing Nice strategy, but that's over doing. The attack doesn't even look like it overs more then a half a mile radius and you expect to destroy the entire Amazonian battlefield? No way.
heh. you’re focusing too much on the range of the blast rather than it’s potency. In all honesty, we don’t need to destroy the entire battlefield if our blast is sufficient to own everyone within your speculated radius.
however, if you’re looking for more overall range, then you may want to note the fact that all FS needs to do is think about increasing his power, and it’s done:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/2669332/fs_powerup2.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/2669333/fs_powerup3.jpg.html
(and with his perceptions enhanced to flash-level, it’d be done exponentially faster.)
…not that he’d need to increase his power anyway, it just seemed like you needed more shiny pictures to understand things more.
Originally posted by xJLxKing How do you expect the explosion to even contact any team mate when ST has them covered. He can essentially becomes the entire battle field quickly.
it will be exceedingly difficult for ST to become the battlefield when jason has already released a battlefield-destroying attack. none
Originally posted by xJLxKing I also do see how Walter>Wally when you already stated that in your opening prep strategy, you claimed that Walter will share his speed. With that said, how do you expect to beat an opponent with full speed? That's not happening either
eh wut? speed-lending was also part of YOUR prep strategy – or did you forget? That said, wally would certainly not be at “full speed”.
regardless, walter drastically increases a being’s speed by lending them the speed force itself:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/2669396/walter_speedlend1.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/2669397/walter_speedlend2.jpg.html
sooo...
Originally posted by xJLxKing That's entirely different. Why? We don't know the effect in Bizzaro world. Superman himself stated everything is opposite there. He even said the gravitational Pull is getting stronger and we don't know how strong the radiation by the "sun" was. Unless of course you are suggesting that FS can replicate it. In that case, it's baseless.
the scan from our OP should have made it blatantly obvious that supes is weak to red sun - but since you still won't concede the point, here's additional proof of his weakness to the aforementioned:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/2669331/as1.jpg.htmlTo put it simply – solaris emits red sun radiation. accordingly, superman had to don the solarsuit to protect himself from said radiation. Had he not, he would have been depowered/killed before even reaching solaris.
A/S is enormously weak to red sun radiation. End of story.
Originally posted by xJLxKing No. The field would not be smoldering rick, or anything like that. The attack FS released in the scans above wasn't huge. It was powerful, but nowhere did it cover more then 1 mile radius. Also, ST has shown the power to regenerate very fast. In this scan, FS does exactly what you stated, and what happen? He has regenerate. http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/galan007_pics/regenerate_fire1.jpghttp://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/galan007_pics/regenerate_fire2.jpg and he has the ability to regrown even without any green aroundhttp://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/galan007_pics/regenerate_mind1.jpghttp://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/galan007_pics/regenerate_mind2.jpg
I already covered the first set of scans. As for the second set – per tourney rules, ST is only allowed one vessel. If that one vessel is destroyed (which, as explained earlier, is a rather simple task for our team) he cannot create an entirely new body via consciousness projection as he did in those scans. you're going to have to come up with a new one.
Originally posted by xJLxKing Not to mention, ST is already fast and strong. I showed scan of him moving much quicker then FS. All he needs is a touch to either 1-Steal Firestorms (2) souls, he wont even have to hurt FS just touch him to take the hosts 2- steal his consciousness 3- Shut down the mind of one of the host in FS.
a.) ST was only able to use the soul-steal maneuver when he was possessed by anton arcane - it’s not part of his standard powerset. I didn’t find that out until after making his thread, so sorry about that.
b.) a purely speculative tactic. ST has NO feats suggestive of him being able to muck with the FS-matrix.
c.) speculation aside, show me a single instance of ST tampering with the mind/consciousness of a flash-level speedster… No such scans exist.
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brief summary:
-the potency of firestorm's initial attack on the field is what really matters. not a speculated range. but since our opponents seem to think range is what matters, jason also has the option of simply willing himself more powerful, thereby increasing the range/potency of his attacks.
-even if ST is capable of regrowth after our initial blast on the field, all FS needs to do is materialize a hand-sized portion of nuclear waste over ST to take him out of the battle for good. i say "for good" because after being touched by said material, ST was completely unable to so much as regrow himself, despite being in the middle of the swamp [see our OP]. instead, he had to project his consciousness to nearby green and create an entirely new vessel (which would be illegal [and pointless] in this match.)
-walter is more powerful than wally, and has more exotic powers to boot... he also lends the speed force itself to others.
-A/S superman is unquestionably weak to red sun rays. he would also have a sped up metabolism, and therefore, a drastically increased rate of cell death thanks to wally's amp.
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conclusion:
ST is taken our almost immediately after the proverbial bell rings via firestorm's initial blast + nuclear waste manifestation. IF superman survives the initial blast, there is NO possible way he'd survive a blast of red sun radiation from thor. and walter is faster and more powerful than wally, need i say more?
