The Four Obi Wans run a Gauntlet

Originally posted by One Free Man
not a good order of difficulty. I fixed it. TPM dies at The general or ki adi. AOTC dies at 10, may make it past general. ROTS beats all the way to cound dooku then fails. ANH beats all the way up to yoda.

...Although I appreciate the reordering of the list. However, I disagree with is Yoda/Sidious. Although I'm sure I'm in the minority, I see Yoda as being 15 while Sids is 14.

Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
...Although I appreciate the reordering of the list. However, I disagree with is Yoda/Sidious. Although I'm sure I'm in the minority, I see Yoda as being 15 while Sids is 14.

Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
Defeating Mace?

Mace's "special tools" are barely useful in this area.

Shatterpoint; I doubt he'd be able to strike through obi-wans soresu with this.

Vapaad; Obi-wan doesn't channel darkside energy therefor there is nothing to reflect back. Obi wan is also one of the rare people who would have encountered form VII

Obi wan has also trained under his "old master" since then.

If you want to go by the feats they had when they filmed and the lightsabers were 40 pounds and they had no fight coreographer, go ahead, but I'm going with documented feats.

...huh?

nah

Gestalt BaneMace solos.

Originally posted by One Free Man
I see it happening, actually. Obi wan has had years to train, more life experiences than rots, etc. If he beats mace, he does it just barely.

Mace's "special tools" are barely useful in this area.

Shatterpoint; I doubt he'd be able to strike through obi-wans soresu with this.

Vapaad; Obi-wan doesn't channel darkside energy therefor there is nothing to reflect back. Obi wan is also one of the rare people who would have encountered form VII

Obi wan has also trained under his "old master" since then.

If you want to go by the feats they had when they filmed and the lightsabers were 40 pounds and they had no fight coreographer, go ahead, but I'm going with documented feats.

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Originally posted by One Free Man
I see it happening, actually. Obi wan has had years to train, more life experiences than rots, etc. If he beats mace, he does it just barely.

Mace's "special tools" are barely useful in this area.

Shatterpoint; I doubt he'd be able to strike through obi-wans soresu with this.

Vapaad; Obi-wan doesn't channel darkside energy therefor there is nothing to reflect back. Obi wan is also one of the rare people who would have encountered form VII

Obi wan has also trained under his "old master" since then.

If you want to go by the feats they had when they filmed and the lightsabers were 40 pounds and they had no fight coreographer, go ahead, but I'm going with documented feats.

1. Shatterpoint doesn't require the need to break through Kenobi's saber defense.

2. Vaapad is deadly regardless of whether one is fighting a darksider or not. I believe Red (I hope it's Red, if not , my bad) has the rundown on that.

3. And what evidence is there of Obi-Wan sparring with, or dueling a Form VII (more specifically, Vaapad) practitioner?

Maul's Juyo.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Maul's Juyo.

...more specifically, Vaapad.

None. But Maul's Juyo would give him a good idea.

2. Vaapad is deadly regardless of whether one is fighting a darksider or not. I believe Red (I hope it's Red, if not , my bad) has the rundown on that.

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Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
1. [b]Shatterpoint doesn't require the need to break through Kenobi's saber defense.

I suppose also that this is emotional/force shatterpoint, though.

2. Vaapad is deadly regardless of whether one is fighting a darksider or not. I believe Red (I hope it's Red, if not , my bad) has the rundown on that.

3. And what evidence is there of Obi-Wan sparring with, or dueling a Form VII (more specifically, Vaapad) practitioner? [/B]

While fighting the cyborg General Grievous on Coruscant, Windu again displayed his mastery of Vaapad. Grievous responded by mimicking Windu's style, which resulted in what Windu considered a passable imitation of the form. Grievous had instructed his personal IG-100 MagnaGuard droids in all seven forms of lightsaber combat, including Form VII.[27] As with Juyo, knowledge of Form VII was recovered from the Great Holocron by the New Jedi Order, who preserved the information into the Sith-Imperial War.[8]

I never said it wasn't deadly. I just said that the main feature that separates it from juyo would be useless against obi-wan, especially since kenobi's style involves defense until opportunity for a perfect strike. Form VII, (you can say vapaad is not juyo, but vapaad is based off juyo) is a style of powerful, accurate strokes with little concern for defense.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
By "main feature" you mean "some metaphysical ramifications" instead of "entirely different sequence of strokes, combos, and tactics, not to mention an inherently different philosophy?" That seems foolish.