Zoom vs. Thanos

Started by quanchi11210 pages

Originally posted by The Return
Time does not exist for the New Gods. neither does alternate time lines. Metron says so in so many words. Just the ultimate balance. All showings for the New Gods count. Sometimes they win, sometimes they lose. High showings can be attributed to better celestial bodies. They say as much in FC. (That aweful story). DS can rez anyone he kills. Not just certain people. He can de power anyone. I.E. Firestorm (Top Tier HERALD). He has bitched IM who is above the top tier by a large margin. Oh and Since DS showings are old, do we now discount Odin's Galaxy busting feats since they are old and now he can't even put down Thanos? Who himself has been put down by one shot of Thor's hammer? Which can't even hurt Juggernaut? One more thing, show on panel where it says the source rezzed DS?
It sure seemed to exist in foundations when the younger Darkseid was simply at a loss for how to defend himself and he woke up 1,000 year slater proving time does exist for them.

In rock of ages we saw ray kill Ds so I will allow this as we saw it on panel the other showings lack context so it's like saying Sentry stalemated Galactis without being privy to the details.

Ds can't depower the Spectre or the Anti Monitor. He also can't depower Imperiex. I cannot believe you'd say something so silly as he can depower anyone.

Ripping out someone's power source and separating them isn't proof you can depower anyone anyway just Firestorm. Iman was defeated long ago by Seid that's why I said in the last thirty years but I do agree he was treated with a lot more class decades ago than he is today by most writers.

Odin's showings don't have him being embarrassed as often and if he does they will be discussed as does anything which happens in continuity. Odin as early as the nineties affected the entire space continuum and the multiverse under his own power so it's not like all power showings are ancient anyways.

Thanos is a peer to Odin and Thor's hammer/power has affected Celestials, Galactus, etc. so nothing embarrassing there. Also, Thor is vastly weaker than Odin.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos is a peer to Odin
False

Originally posted by Black bolt z
False
Do you make a habit out of disregarding the dialogue ?

Originally posted by The Return
A Doomsday that withstood the powers of Waverider, ran thru Gl's corps, and killed a Gaurdian. The same Doomsday that was stopped only twice in the entire arch. Once by DS, and once by Entropy itself.
Waverider wow..that big gun. Beating fodder GL's is nothing and as ive always said Gaurdian are shit when it comes to 1v1 combat feats.

LOL at trying to use DD getting ported to Entropy as a feat of how nad ass he was, does the same rule apply for Thanos then as he was only stopped by a cosmic cube during Thanos Imperative.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Do you make a habit out of disregarding the dialogue ?
No dialouge said this.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
No dialouge said this.
Read warlock's line and the sheer fact Odin didn't beat him and his own words along with the fact he was actively trying to kill him pretty much the entire time and then put that knowledge in a blender and tell me what you get.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Read warlock's line and the sheer fact Odin didn't beat him and his own words along with the fact he was actively trying to kill him pretty much the entire time and then put that knowledge in a blender and tell me what you get.
I get the fact that thanos did jack shit to Odin and Odin beat his ass to the ground time after time. Doesn't seem like peer to me.

But this is irrelevant. Thanos still isn't hitting Zoom.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
I get the fact that thanos did jack shit to Odin and Odin beat his ass to the ground time after time. Doesn't seem like peer to me.

But this is irrelevant. Thanos still isn't hitting Zoom.

We've been over this time and time again but bump the proper thread when you feel like learning.

Has Zoom ever been hit before ?

Odin won. Now back on topic pls.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Waverider wow..that big gun. Beating fodder GL's is nothing and as ive always said Gaurdian are shit when it comes to 1v1 combat feats.

LOL at trying to use DD getting ported to Entropy as a feat of how nad ass he was, does the same rule apply for Thanos then as he was only stopped by a cosmic cube during Thanos Imperative.

Waverider is alot more powerful than you think. He doesn't show up much, but when it comes to temporal powers, he's kind of an expert.

And yes, it is a feat of badassery. Porting him to entropy was the idea of the motherbox, which it deemed the best solution for DD.

If flash can do this then zoom definitely could and he was generally weaker in justice league tv series than he was in comic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odU1bHaYNDQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=206s

It amazes me how many (mostly Thanos fans) are overrating Thanos durability against physical blunt attacks. Sure Thanos can resist hella (many times through absorption) energy based attacks but his resistance against physical blunt force attacks has never been shown to be beyond Thor's top hammer strikes. Meaning, High Herald level physical blunt force attacks can and will hurt Thanos well. Zoom would not only hurt Thanos even more but Thanos would be a statue to Zoom.

Originally posted by h1a8
It amazes me how many (mostly Thanos fans) are overrating Thanos durability against physical blunt attacks. Sure Thanos can resist hella (many times through absorption) energy based attacks but his resistance against physical blunt force attacks has never been shown to be beyond Thor's top hammer strikes. Meaning, High Herald level physical blunt force attacks can and will hurt Thanos well. Zoom would not only hurt Thanos even more but Thanos would be a statue to Zoom.
It amazes me how many times you can see scans, but your cat memory forgets them as soon as it hits the next page.

I use 'forget' in the friendliest way.

Originally posted by h1a8
It amazes me how many (mostly Thanos fans) are overrating Thanos durability against physical blunt attacks. Sure Thanos can resist hella (many times through absorption) energy based attacks but his resistance against physical blunt force attacks has never been shown to be beyond Thor's top hammer strikes. Meaning, High Herald level physical blunt force attacks can and will hurt Thanos well. Zoom would not only hurt Thanos even more but Thanos would be a statue to Zoom.

Well it seems like I gave you too much credit for your other post.. Thanos is JUST fine against blunt force trauma.. In fact, one could argue better than against energy. How could they argue that, well Thanos has only been KO'd via energy attacks and never via blunt force trauma. Lets take a look at the showings of Thanos that put him considerably above above what Thor can pack...

Well first, a more powerful than normal Thor who was amped by the PG couldn't put Thanos down with multiple shots from his hammer. If regular Thor, can't put Thanos down and even an amped Thor can't put Thanos down with Strikes.. were is this notion that all it takes is Herald Class power to put him down comng from?

Thanos taking shot after shot from his doppleganger, is again, well above herald level power. The dopple was more powerful than Thanos, which would then mean, he's well above the herald class you feel can put him down.

He also took two shots from Magus with the IG and wasn't put down. That is a lot more power than anything thor or any herald could produce and that didn't put him down.

We won't even get into him not even having a scratch on him, let alone put down from a supernova explosion he took point blank. Thor has never even one shot a planet on panel, so no, we can't say Thor can hit harder or with enough force to cause a supernova type effect.

He's taken multiple shots from the Hulk, Drax, Herc, and most bricks you can never without ever being KO'd.

In conclusion, this notion that all it takes is herald level power to put down Thanos and he's some how weak to blunt force trauma.. is well.. laugable and just not true.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
It amazes me how many times you can see scans, but your cat memory forgets them as soon as it hits the next page.

I use 'forget' in the friendliest way.

👆

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Well it seems like I gave you too much credit for your other post.. Thanos is JUST fine against blunt force trauma.. In fact, one could argue better than against energy. How could they argue that, well Thanos has only been KO'd via energy attacks and never via blunt force trauma. Lets take a look at the showings of Thanos that put him considerably above above what Thor can pack...

Well first, a more powerful than normal Thor who was amped by the PG couldn't put Thanos down with multiple shots from his hammer. If regular Thor, can't put Thanos down and even an amped Thor can't put Thanos down with Strikes.. were is this notion that all it takes is Herald Class power to put him down comng from?

Well it is debatable how strong PG Thor was over his regular NON HOLDING BACK SELF. Surely PG was most likely stronger than regular holding back Thor. But a non holding back Thor? Thor's showings vary and partly this is because he holds back (like when he fights Hulk and such). But when Thor doesn't hold back he performs feats like such as shown against the Celestials.

I disagree with the reasoning: Since Thor beat x, y, and z then he was at least A more times as powerful than before.

This is because the said reasoning doesn't take in account of HOW THOR BEAT X, Y, and Z. Thor has always been powerful enough to ko every member on the Watch, provided if he is able to hit them repeatly. His strength levels WASN'T SHOWN TO BE MUCH HIGHER THAN NORMAL. Only his average durability was shown to be higher (but not higher than Thor's best feats of durability).

Lastly, Thanos not being koed doesn't mean he can't be koed. It stands to reason that if a character can be harmed, stunned, or injured in any way from an attack then they certainly can be koed if more of those similar attacks are added or an even more powerful attack connects.

Thanos taking shot after shot from his doppleganger, is again, well above herald level power. The dopple was more powerful than Thanos, which would then mean, he's well above the herald class you feel can put him down.

He also took two shots from Magus with the IG and wasn't put down. That is a lot more power than anything thor or any herald could produce and that didn't put him down.

The above reasoning takes care of your doppleganger argument. Also Thanos is not well above Herald level. If he is above then he's not above by a large amount (well above is pushing it). Thor will give Thanos a long good fight and IF SURFER USES HIS BEST ABILITIES will also give Thanos a long good fight.

Thanos was definitely affected by Magus. If I'm not mistaken a simple pimpsmack rocked the hell outta Thanos. Also, Magus didn't wan't to kill Thanos as he told Thanos to admit something (can't remember what). Lastly, Magus couldn't harness the power of the IG as well as say a Thanos can. If Thor, Superman, WW, etc. was in the place of Thanos then they too wouldn't have been koed by those few strikes of Magus. But they would have been harmed.

Also you are forgetting the times Thor has rocked Thanos, proving that Thanos can be harmed by High Herald level blunt force attacks.

We won't even get into him not even having a scratch on him, let alone put down from a supernova explosion he took point blank. Thor has never even one shot a planet on panel, so no, we can't say Thor can hit harder or with enough force to cause a supernova type effect.

A supernova is PART energy attack and not all blunt force concentrated in a small area (like a fist or hammer).

Several other High Heralds have taken supernova type (or greater) type attacks, yet they can harm each other. So something has to give. Either most heralds can't harm other heralds or heralds resisting supernova type attacks can't be used.

Also withstanding the core of a star or the inside of a massive black hole takes far greater durability than withstanding a supernova from outside of a star.

He's taken multiple shots from the Hulk, Drax, Herc, and most bricks you can never without ever being KO'd.

In conclusion, this notion that all it takes is herald level power to put down Thanos and he's some how weak to blunt force trauma.. is well.. laugable and just not true.

My logic above takes care of this. To reiterate. All high herald level physical blunt attacks have been shown to harm Thanos. Adding more of these or connecting with a much more powerful attack would ko Thanos.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
It amazes me how many times you can see scans, but your cat memory forgets them as soon as it hits the next page.

I use 'forget' in the friendliest way.

Give me some examples. Im sorry if I don't know what you are referring to.

You couldn't be more wrong.. please explain how I listed MORE POWERFUL attacks than High Herald level attacks that didn't KO him.. yet you still seem to think all it takes is a High Herald level attack? All i can go is WTF then. Clearly it takes much much more than that to put down Thanos. I think the problem lies in that you feel Thanos isn't that much above the herald class, when in fact, he is considerably about the High Herald class which he has proven time and time again.

What happens to Thanos' durability when Zoom phases through him?

Originally posted by SasuOna
What happens to Thanos' durability when Zoom phases through him?
Nothing, Vision did it to a weaker Thanos clone which he laughed at.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You couldn't be more wrong.. please explain how I listed MORE POWERFUL attacks than High Herald level attacks that didn't KO him.. yet you still seem to think all it takes is a High Herald level attack? All i can go is WTF then. Clearly it takes much much more than that to put down Thanos. I think the problem lies in that you feel Thanos isn't that much above the herald class, when in fact, he is considerably about the High Herald class which he has proven time and time again.

I don't quite understand your first sentence. Sorry my english comprehension isn't the best.

In the meantime ill try to guess what you mean. If im wrong then just clarify what you mean.

The amount of attacks needed to ko someone is variable depending on the power of those attacks. An attack would have to have a minimal threshold amount in order to be capable of being able to ko under cummulation (multiple amounts of them). For example, a human smack wouldn't ko Superman or Thanos even if any arbitrary amount of them was landed. This because the smack did 0 damage.

Now if an attack does some damage (even if it was small) then an cummulation of them can result in being koed.

My point was that Thanos can be hurt or damaged by high herald level physical blows. The reason he never was koed was because not enough of them was ever landed to him for that to happen. I would love to see Thanos withstand a days worth of onslaught of say a DD and still stand in the end. Then we can say his physical blunt force durability is WAY ABOVE the power of a high herald physical blunt attack.

No high herald has shown the ability to strike with the force of a supernova or greater. Thus they being able to hurt each other consistently means either that this shouldn't be possible or that they shouldn't be withstanding supernova level type attacks in the first place. I am not referring to Thanos here but other high heralds in order to make a point.