Originally posted by Smasandian
Did Doom have a bigger impact than Modern Warfare 1 and 2? Yes it did. Is it better comparatively, hell no but compared to games in thier respective years, then Doom wins because it was the best shooter out and one of the best games.
Originally posted by Juk3n
Being the first isnt the same as being the best.
Meh. I guess that's where it begins to get subjective, since some still define the best games as ones that make the biggest impact on history, whereas others define the best games in terms of modern playability (all going back to what Digi first said).
As good as Game Informer is/may be, you can never have a 200 best list that'll be accurate to everyone.
Originally posted by SmasandianThe list is "Top 200 Games Of All Time" not "Top 200 Games Of Their Time"
Did Doom have a bigger impact than Modern Warfare 1 and 2? Yes it did. Is it better comparatively, hell no but compared to games in thier respective years, then Doom wins because it was the best shooter out and one of the best games.
Originally posted by §P0oONY
The list is "Top 200 Games Of All Time" not "Top 200 Games Of Their Time"
Yeah, I know.
But if you don't add the old timers, then every game in the TOP 200 would be from the last 2 years because gaming as a industry improves year by year.
So you add old timer games that paved a way for the current games to be done. You should look at Doom objectively. Was the graphics good at the time? Yes. Was the gameplay at the time? Yes.
If we go by your way, that means games that have been released this year won't be considered the Top 200 because games 5 years from now have adopted and improved the gameplay.
Then there is no point in doing Top 200 lists of all time.
Since I know you all can't sleep until you heard my opinion, I rated the games (or ports of the games) I have played enough to form an opinion, by the fun I had/have when playing them.
9. Half-Life (PC, 1998)
28. Diablo II (PC, 2000)
102. Heroes of Might & Magic III (PC, 1999)
64. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (PS2, 2004) --PC
88. Baldur’s Gate II: Shadows of Amn (PC, 2000)
100. Portal (PC/360, 2007)
54. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (Xbox, 2003) --PC
98. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (PS3/360, 2009) -- PC
46. Grand Theft Auto IV (PS3/360, 2008)
4. Grand Theft Auto III (PS2, 2001) -- PC
71. Age of Empires (PC, 1997) -- prefered AoE2
121. Lemmings (PC, 1991)
169. Braid (360, 2008) -- PC
42. Pokemon Red and Blue (GB, 1996)
185. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi’s Island (SNES, 1995)
180. Max Payne (PC, 2001)
99. Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time (PS2/Xbox/GameCube/PC, 2003)
32. GoldenEye 007 (N64, 1997)
96. Counter-Strike (PC, 1999)
104. Batman: Arkham Asylum (PS3/360, 2009)
5. Starcraft (PC, 1998)
27. BioShock (360/PC, 2007)
13. Super Mario 64 (N64, 1996)
5. Half-Life 2 (PC, 2004)
25. Street Fighter II (Coin-op, 1991) -- SNES
87. Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness (PC, 1995)
151. Fable (Xbox, 2004) -- PC
160. Thief (PC, 1998)159. Battlefield 1942 (PC, 2002)
107. Gears of War (360, 2006)
141. Civilization IV (PC, 2005)
53. Battlefield 2 (PC, 2005)
7. Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater 2 (PS, 2000)
167. Doom II (PC, 1994)
70. The Sims (PC, 2000)
47. Super Mario World (SNES, 1991)
6. Doom (PC, 1993)
132. Quake II (PC, 1997)
149. Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos (PC, 2002)
36. Civilization (PC, 1991) -- prefer Civ2
145. Unreal Tournament 2004 (PC, 2004)
11. World of Warcraft (PC, 2004)
139. Wolfenstein 3D (PC, 1992)
52. Pac-Man (Coin-op, 1980) -- PC
3. Tetris (PC, 1984)
72. Mortal Kombat II (Coin-op, 1993) - SNES
78. Command & Conquer (PC, 1995)
108. Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots (PS3, 2008)
86. Super Smash Bros. Melee (GameCube, 2001)
92. Medal of Honor: Allied Assault (PC, 2002)
140. Diablo (PC, 1996)
9. Super Mario Bros. 3 (NES, 1990)
2. Super Mario Bros. (NES, 1985)
178. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney (DS, 2005)
37. SimCity (PC, 1989) - prefer SimCity 2000
39. Halo: Combat Evolved (Xbox, 2001)
16. Mike Tyson’s Punch-Out!! (NES, 1987)
7. Metroid (NES, 1986)
69. Dr. Mario (NES, 1990)
74. Tomb Raider (PS, 1996) -- PC
Originally posted by SmasandianThat's not quite true, perhaps some technical skills evolve and perhaps some more things are possible but at it's core gaming seems to have stayed very similar. Look at the controllers for example, they have changed very little.
Yeah, I know.But if you don't add the old timers, then every game in the TOP 200 would be from the last 2 years because gaming as a industry improves year by year.
So you add old timer games that paved a way for the current games to be done. You should look at Doom objectively. Was the graphics good at the time? Yes. Was the gameplay at the time? Yes.
If we go by your way, that means games that have been released this year won't be considered the Top 200 because games 5 years from now have adopted and improved the gameplay.
Then there is no point in doing Top 200 lists of all time.
I like your list, Bardock42. I would personally put Warcraft II, Lemmings and Diablo higher 😛 But I like your list more than the first one, at least if we base the games on how fun they were. I am of course taking in consideration my age(s) when I played the listed games.
When I was little, I could've killed for some more playtime with Lemmings.
Originally posted by Q'Anilia
I like your list, Bardock42. I would personally put Warcraft II, Lemmings and Diablo higher 😛 But I like your list more than the first one, at least if we base the games on how fun they were. I am of course taking in consideration my age(s) when I played the listed games.When I was little, I could've killed for some more playtime with Lemmings.
I only played Diablo after I played Diablo 2 so that probably influenced the fun I had playing it. I actually like most of the games on the list a lot anyways, it's only from Metal Gear Solid 4 on that I am more "meh" towards them.
After reading that historical significance was a prime factor, this list is instantly more appealing even if I don't agree with all the choices.
I don't understand the point of a top 200 list though. A quantity of 200 undermines the whole concept of what should be an "elite few." It's akin to giving out 100 honorable mentions.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Since I know you all can't sleep until you heard my opinion, I rated the games (or ports of the games) I have played enough to form an opinion, by the fun I had/have when playing them.9. Half-Life (PC, 1998)
28. Diablo II (PC, 2000)
102. Heroes of Might & Magic III (PC, 1999)
64. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (PS2, 2004) --PC
88. Baldur’s Gate II: Shadows of Amn (PC, 2000)
100. Portal (PC/360, 2007)
54. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (Xbox, 2003) --PC
98. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (PS3/360, 2009) -- PC
46. Grand Theft Auto IV (PS3/360, 2008)
4. Grand Theft Auto III (PS2, 2001) -- PC
71. Age of Empires (PC, 1997) -- prefered AoE2
121. Lemmings (PC, 1991)
169. Braid (360, 2008) -- PC
42. Pokemon Red and Blue (GB, 1996)
185. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi’s Island (SNES, 1995)
180. Max Payne (PC, 2001)
99. Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time (PS2/Xbox/GameCube/PC, 2003)
32. GoldenEye 007 (N64, 1997)
96. Counter-Strike (PC, 1999)
104. Batman: Arkham Asylum (PS3/360, 2009)
5. Starcraft (PC, 1998)
27. BioShock (360/PC, 2007)
13. Super Mario 64 (N64, 1996)
5. Half-Life 2 (PC, 2004)
25. Street Fighter II (Coin-op, 1991) -- SNES
87. Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness (PC, 1995)
151. Fable (Xbox, 2004) -- PC
160. Thief (PC, 1998)159. Battlefield 1942 (PC, 2002)
107. Gears of War (360, 2006)
141. Civilization IV (PC, 2005)
53. Battlefield 2 (PC, 2005)
7. Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater 2 (PS, 2000)
167. Doom II (PC, 1994)
70. The Sims (PC, 2000)
47. Super Mario World (SNES, 1991)
6. Doom (PC, 1993)
132. Quake II (PC, 1997)
149. Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos (PC, 2002)
36. Civilization (PC, 1991) -- prefer Civ2
145. Unreal Tournament 2004 (PC, 2004)
11. World of Warcraft (PC, 2004)
139. Wolfenstein 3D (PC, 1992)
52. Pac-Man (Coin-op, 1980) -- PC
3. Tetris (PC, 1984)
72. Mortal Kombat II (Coin-op, 1993) - SNES
78. Command & Conquer (PC, 1995)
108. Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots (PS3, 2008)
86. Super Smash Bros. Melee (GameCube, 2001)
92. Medal of Honor: Allied Assault (PC, 2002)
140. Diablo (PC, 1996)
9. Super Mario Bros. 3 (NES, 1990)
2. Super Mario Bros. (NES, 1985)
178. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney (DS, 2005)
37. SimCity (PC, 1989) - prefer SimCity 2000
39. Halo: Combat Evolved (Xbox, 2001)
16. Mike Tyson’s Punch-Out!! (NES, 1987)
7. Metroid (NES, 1986)
69. Dr. Mario (NES, 1990)
74. Tomb Raider (PS, 1996) -- PC
The numbers are all messed up.