Originally posted by snoopdogg
LOL! That vamp may or may not have been on Warren's level but Blade was clearly toying with him.
So what? Why are you talking as if that says anything about how he'd do against Warren? That vamp would be a two-second fight against Warren, or possibly just a fly-by.
The ability to easily kill a mook is an assumed.
Originally posted by Q99It shows that being able to fly isn't a guaranteed win over Blade. The vampire was trying to kill Blade but Blade was being flashy with his techniques. In another issue Blade managed to slash the throat of another vampire in mid-air during a battle. But I can see you're the type that thinks vampires are "mooks" so it don't really matter I guess.
So what? Why are you talking as if that says anything about how he'd do against Warren? That vamp would be a two-second fight against Warren, or possibly just a fly-by.The ability to easily kill a mook is an assumed.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
It shows that being able to fly insn't a guanteed win over Blade.
Never said it was. Warren's flight abilities, on the flip side, are a big advantage because he's one of the best fliers in Marvel, tremendously skilled and agile, and it gives him a lot more speed and maneuverability than blade.
Warren's flight, especially in Archangel mode, =/= a vampire's flight.
The vampire was trying to kill Blade but Blade was being flashy with his techniques. In another issue Blade managed to slash the throat of another vampire in mid-air during a battle. But I can see you're the type that thinks vampires are "mooks" so it don't really matter I guess.
Do these vampires have names and histories? Or, more to the point, feats anywhere near Archangel's?
Whatever the case, *that* vampire was showing abilities no-where near Warrens. Archangel can hit mach 1, that guy was slowly flying upwards a bit on lil arm wings. Nor, for that matter, do I know any Marvel vampire that shows mid-air combat skills near Archangel's.
Examples are only useful if they're against foes of at least relatively close capability.
Archangel recently took out several dozen armed fliers at once in X-Force, and ripped right through them. Wolverine's worried about taking him on in melee.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
No he not, Wolverine never said any such thing.
He looked worried, though yea, it was Laura who actually said it (or thought it- "Wolverine did not include him on the list of people we should die for. But that may not matter..."😉.
Then he charged Wolverine and X-23 and Warpath and inflicted major wounds on the first two (slash large enough multiple adamantium ribs were visible, then got X-23 with some thrown blades while she tried to protect Elixir), Warpath grappled onto his back, Archangel threw him off, and left.
Originally posted by Q99
He looked worried, though yea, it was Laura who actually said it (or thought it- "Wolverine did not include him on the list of people we should die for. But that may not matter..."😉.
Originally posted by Q99
Then he charged Wolverine and X-23 and Warpath and inflicted major wounds on the first two (slash large enough multiple adamantium ribs were visible, then got X-23 with some thrown blades while she tried to protect Elixir), Warpath grappled onto his back, Archangel threw him off, and left.
Yea arch angle attack his team what does this prove? He attack full force and they used kid gloves on him, not seeing how this translate in anyway to wolverine being worried to fight him in melee.
Originally posted by Starscream M
he should be worried though...angel has mobility advantage
Wolverine with out a healing factor and on his death bed took it right to arch angle while holding back which angle did not seem to get that memo.
Any ways I can see blade winning this.
arc angle is extremely overrated
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Yea arch angle attack his team what does this prove? He attack full force and they used kid gloves on him, not seeing how this translate in anyway to wolverine being worried to fight him in melee.
He was worried-looking before a melee fight. Yea, he wasn't planning on killing Warren, but it's not like there was a lot of opportunities to get stabby if he wanted to. I'll retract my 'he was worried about Warren in melee' comment and instead replace that with: "Did you see how that fight in X-force went?? Sure, Logan wasn't trying to kill him, but he ripped right through X-Force and inflicted major wounds on two of them when they tried to stop him, and that was 3-on-1!".
Three on one, and they definitely failed to restrain him at the least, and took two major wounds in the process. If Logan and X-23 are taking big hits, what makes you think Blade'll avoid them so easily? Those two are kinda deadly and kinda good at blocking and dodging.
why would that effect them in melee?
Probably because he can fly into melee at high speeds. It's one of his tactics.
Wolverine with out a healing factor and on his death bed took it right to arch angle while holding back which angle did not seem to get that memo.
I'm having trouble parsing that sentence. What incident are you referring to?
Originally posted by Q99
He was worried-looking before a melee fight. Yea, he wasn't planning on killing Warren, but it's not like there was a lot of opportunities to get stabby if he wanted to. I'll retract my 'he was worried about Warren in melee' comment and instead replace that with: "Did you see how that fight in X-force went?? Sure, Logan wasn't trying to kill him, but he ripped right through X-Force and inflicted major wounds on two of them when they tried to stop him, and that was 3-on-1!".
Originally posted by Q99
Three on one, and they definitely failed to restrain him at the least, and took two major wounds in the process. If Logan and X-23 are taking big hits, what makes you think Blade'll avoid them so easily? Those two are kinda deadly and kinda good at blocking and dodging.
Originally posted by Q99
Probably because he can fly into melee at high speeds. It's one of his tactics.I'm having trouble parsing that sentence. What incident are you referring to?
During uncanny x-men they lost there powers. Wolverine was on his death bed pretty much. Then he got chained up with arch angle. Angle wings were attacking wolverine because angle was to weak willed to control them partially because he hates wolverine. Then wolverine goes to attack him becuase if he does not he will die. He ends up deciding he will go for his wings and not kill arc angle which is far more difficult course to take. arc angle in return attacks him in full blood lust and it stops at sort of stalemate untill jean interrupts.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Wolverine did not seem worried for him self in the slightest. He never been worried to fight arch angle and they have foughten on a number of occassions.
Worried that someone else would die perhaps? Elixir and Warpath were present. Worried that he wouldn't be able to stop Warren in that state? A concern that was true. He was drawn worried.
X-23, who's pretty much an emotionless combat machine, considered the possibility that Warren might kill them all. So even if we throw out Logan's worry, there was concern going around.
Fight in X-force proves what? 3 people trying to restraight soem one who going berserker is far from a fair representation of how fights would go. Hell Wolverine has taken it too Cable and arc angle in similar circumstance except arc angle was not holding back during it.
That 3 highly skilled combatants couldn't avoid two of them getting wounds that'd be fatal to Blade, not having adamantium or the same level of healing factor (at best, he'd be easy to finish off after such wounds).
And that's pretty much how Warren fights nowadays, so that's what Blade has to face.
It was a two second incident were arch angle flipped out it hardly good representation of how a fight with blade would go. Arch angle fled right away.
He didn't just suddenly flip out and attack without warning. They had a stare down first with a bit of talking, everyone knew a fight was happening and was ready for combat, there was no surprise on either side.
"He fled after going through everyone on the team leaving two wounded," is not a strong argument against Warren.
which would be far from effective verse wolverine and blade has range weapons.
It's how he got Logan in the X-force fight. The adamantium ribcage preventing him from being killed or anything, but it still was a nice chunk.
Archangel also has ranged weapons, better ones. Ranged fight? Warren wins since he has ranged weapons and a way to block ranged weapons.
During uncanny x-men they lost there powers. Wolverine was on his death bed pretty much. Then he got chained up with arch angle. Angle wings were attacking wolverine because angle was to weak willed to control them partially because he hates wolverine. Then wolverine goes to attack him becuase if he does not he will die. He ends up deciding he will go for his wings and not kill arc angle which is far more difficult course to take. arc angle in return attacks him in full blood lust and it stops at sort of stalemate untill jean interrupts.
Ah, so not-current Archangel.
Regaining his metal wings seem to have given him an upgrade strength or at least ferocity wise, and of course he gained a healing factor in an interim too.
Originally posted by Q99
Worried that someone else would die perhaps? Worried that he wouldn't be able to stop Warren in that state? He was drawn worried.X-23, who's pretty much an emotionless combat machine, considered the possibility that Warren might kill them all.
Originally posted by Q99
That 3 highly skilled combatants couldn't avoid two of them getting wounds that'd be fatal to Blade, not having adamantium or the same level of healing factor (at best, he'd be easy to finish off after such wounds).
trying to uses that as evidence is simply silly.
Originally posted by Q99
And that's pretty much how Warren fights nowadays, so that's what Blade has to face.
Originally posted by Q99
He didn't just suddenly flip out. They had a stare down, everyone knew a fight was happening and was ready for combat, there was no surprise on either side."He fled after going through everyone on the team leaving two wounded," is not a strong argument against Warren.
Originally posted by Q99
It's how he got Logan in the X-force fight. The adamantium ribcage preventing him from being killed or anything, but it still was a nice chunk.Archangel also has ranged weapons, better ones. Ranged fight? Warren wins since he has ranged weapons and a way to block ranged weapons.
Here the problem cis will cause him to take it melee. Which could very well get him shot
Originally posted by Q99
Ah, so not-current Archangel.
Originally posted by Q99
Regaining his metal wings seem to have given him an upgrade strength or at least ferocity wise, and of course he gained a healing factor in an interim too.
He had a healing factor for a long while, but it nothing even now to talk how about.