Originally posted by Red Nemesis
1. yes it does
2. no. she rapes him anally
1 but he didnt master it
2 she will defeat him
3 the word is "immerse"
4 she has a unique amp that expands her power a lot and Mace wasnt at full but that doesnt mean that she couldnt beat him anyway:
x + 5 > y - 2
x ? y
do u see how that works
5 Vastor is a beast that is no shame besides he fulfilled his victory condishions how is thatlosing?
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
1 but he didnt master it
2 she will defeat him
3 the word is "immerse"
4 she has a unique amp that expands her power a lot and Mace wasnt at full but that doesnt mean that she couldnt beat him anyway:
x + 5 > y - 2
x ? y
do u see how that works
5 Vastor is a beast that is no shame besides he fulfilled his victory condishions how is thatlosing?
Depa gave into the DS. Thus she seems to have also been mastered by Vaapad.
Great arguing skills...
So you are just claiming that she can beat Mace... Despite the fact that she has no feats. Sure Mace claims she is better than him, but he also claims Obi Wan is greater as well.
i think i should make a note here that you are only claiming here that tiin will win despite the fact that he has no feats we seem to be in the same boat you and i lol im on a boat but srsly dude you havent made your case and as i mentioned i misspoke wen i said depa would win so lulz but the burden of proof is off of me so u will prove ur case or back down
True. But it implies how much he was holding back.
if you can get meaning out of this line of symbols then ur a better reader than i but srsly dood make ur c ase and maybe i'll take an opposing position and tgeb where transipring or at least would be transpiring sum majr deb8 but rite nao u gotta do ur part,,,
ares834
When I said Uber I mean one of the best. So while he may be very powerful he is not top tier. Which he clearly isn't.
This makes no sense.
1.) If Saesee Tinn is "one of the best," Sora Bulq is most definitely "one of the best." The Databank proclaims him to be "one of the greatest lightsaber instructors the Jedi Order has ever known."
2.) At no point have we seen anyone best Sora Bulq in a contest of lightsaber skill. As you'll recall, Count Dooku - one of the most gifted Jedi in history, an enormously powerful Sith Lord, the greatest master of a form designed and refined for lightsaber combat - ended his duel with Bulq by blasting him with his considerably powerful Force-lightning. Mace Windu - the creator and master of Vaapad, beneficiary of an extraordinary talent with shatterpoints, one of the most powerful Jedi Masters in the Order - ended his duel with Bulq by hurling him away with the Force and promptly left to attend to other matters. I'll note that Bulq had already done the same to Windu earlier in their duel, suggesting that they fought on relatively even footing.
So, a rational analysis of the available evidence would thus suggest that, should Saesee Tinn be considered "uber" or "one of the best," Sora Bulq must also. It would then stand to reason that the duelist Mace Windu himself considers to have "surpassed" him would also be "one of the best." Even accounting for Mace's modesty and his fondness for his old apprentice, the suggestion that a decade prior Depa had put on a display of swordsmanship that outshone his own would indicate that she at least rivals him in technical ability with the lightsaber.
So to sum it up, yes, Sora Bulq most certainly is one of the best there is, and yes, partly by extension, Depa can be surmised to rank with the top tier as well. There's no good reason to assume Tinn has en edge on her.
Originally posted by Eminence
You apparently believe that Bulq not being "one of the best" means that Depa is not necessarily "one of the best," and therefore Saesee Tinn, who you say is "regarded as one of the most celebrated swordmasters in the Order" - which I suppose would mean to you that he is "one of the best" - would defeat her.This makes no sense.
1.) If Saesee Tinn is "one of the best," Sora Bulq is most definitely "one of the best." The Databank proclaims him to be "[b]one of the greatest
lightsaber instructors the Jedi Order has ever known."2.) At no point have we seen anyone best Sora Bulq in a contest of lightsaber skill. As you'll recall, Count Dooku - one of the most gifted Jedi in history, an enormously powerful Sith Lord, the greatest master of a form designed and refined for lightsaber combat - ended his duel with Bulq by blasting him with his considerably powerful Force-lightning. Mace Windu - the creator and master of Vaapad, beneficiary of an extraordinary talent with shatterpoints, one of the most powerful Jedi Masters in the Order - ended his duel with Bulq by hurling him away with the Force and promptly left to attend to other matters. I'll note that Bulq had already done the same to Windu earlier in their duel, suggesting that they fought on relatively even footing.
So, a rational analysis of the available evidence would thus suggest that, should Saesee Tinn be considered "uber" or "one of the best," Sora Bulq must also. It would then stand to reason that the duelist Mace Windu himself considers to have "surpassed" him would also be "one of the best." Even accounting for Mace's modesty and his fondness for his old apprentice, the suggestion that a decade prior Depa had put on a display of swordsmanship that outshone his own would indicate that she at least rivals him in technical ability with the lightsaber.
So to sum it up, yes, Sora Bulq most certainly is one of the best there is, and yes, partly by extension, Depa can be surmised to rank with the top tier as well. There's no good reason to assume Tinn has en edge on her. [/B]
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Originally posted by EminenceNever said Tiin was uber.
So, a rational analysis of the available evidence would thus suggest that, should Saesee Tinn be considered "uber" or "one of the best," Sora Bulq must also.
It would then stand to reason that the duelist Mace Windu himself considers to have "surpassed" him would also be "one of the best." Even accounting for Mace's modesty and his fondness for his old apprentice, the suggestion that a decade prior Depa had put on a display of swordsmanship that outshone his own would indicate that she at least rivals him in technical ability with the lightsaber.
So to sum it up, yes, Sora Bulq most certainly is one of the best there is, and yes, partly by extension, Depa can be surmised to rank with the top tier as well. There's no good reason to assume Tinn has en edge on her.
ares834So you don't believe "one of the most celebrated swordsmen in the Order['s history]" ranks as "one of the best" duelists around?
Never said Tiin was uber.
ares834Where was Bondara stated to have been "outdueled" by Jinn and Windu? Passage and source, if you don't mind.
Technical ability does not win duels. Anoon Bondara was second to none when it comes down to technical ability but he was still outdueled by Jinn, Windu, and Maul.
Further:
MeWhat the highlighted portion seeks to introduce is the idea that, as far as our purposes are concerned, Sora Bulq was never "outdueled." Two of the most revered and dangerous swordsmen of all time ended their duels with him by using the Force, not their lightsabers. Anoon Bondara was entirely outmatched by Darth Maul in a strict display of martial prowess; this was never the case with the men who challenged Sora Bulq.
2.) At no point have we seen anyone best Sora Bulq in a contest of lightsaber skill. As you'll recall, Count Dooku - one of the most gifted Jedi in history, an enormously powerful Sith Lord, the greatest master of a form designed and refined for lightsaber combat - ended his duel with Bulq by blasting him with his considerably powerful Force-lightning. Mace Windu - the creator and master of Vaapad, beneficiary of an extraordinary talent with shatterpoints, one of the most powerful Jedi Masters in the Order - ended his duel with Bulq by hurling him away with the Force and promptly left to attend to other matters. I'll note that Bulq had already done the same to Windu earlier in their duel, suggesting that they fought on relatively even footing.
ares834That's great. Unfortunately, what you "doubt" or "would [do]" don't hold up as arguments.
I doubt it. I would not place Bulq in the top tier.
ares834Who, after being floored by Bulq at one point in their duel, simply threw him down in kind and left?
High sure, but below the likes of Windu, [...]
I believe it speaks to Bulq's ability as a warrior that the man who downed Palpatine couldn't conclude their duel with a kill or even an arrest, as would have presumably been his terms after discovering Bulq's new agenda.
To be clear, I'm not suggesting that they're equals, per se, but I think it's safe to conclude that Bulq closely rivals Windu's skills.
ares384Who, again, resorted to lightning instead of dispatching Bulq with his own legendary dueling skills. I'll point out that Dooku seems to relish opportunities to humiliate perceived inferiors of nonetheless tremendous repute - his duels with Obi-Wan and Anakin in Attack of the Clones stand out, as does his treatment of Master Tholme after he took down Bulq - with his lightsaber, rather than resorting to his rarely rivaled power in the Force. He only seems to bring the Force to bear when he's threatened and/or feels the need to retreat, such as the times he faced Yoda and Mace Windu.
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ares384In Tinn's case, perhaps. Depa has enough in the manner of accolades and indirect logical conclusions that we should be able to get a rough estimate of where she'd rank, and from what I can see she'd rank higher individually than any of her opponents here barring the final two.
Regardless neither Tiin nor Depa really have many feats so it is terribly hard to judge their abilites.
ares384
But the fact is Depa will be at a major disavantage in their duel, she will be tired down from her preivous fights giving Tiin a major edge.
Axle [Thread StarterEndurance won't be an issue outside the individual duels.
Hmm, ok? How well do you think she would do if fatigue wasn't an option? Say, after every round she gets a "computer-game-style" health recharge