Originally posted by inimalist1/4 million immigrants a year can't all be skilled. So Wow! Those Haitians must have the largest skilled population in the Third World ever!
if it makes you feel better, we will almost certainly only be inviting those who are educated and have work experience (re: those who could help rebuild Haiti) to stay.Thats how much we love to help people
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
1/4 million immigrants a year can't all be skilled. So Wow! Those Haitians must have the largest skilled population in the Third World ever!
we have fairly high standards for immigration, all things considered.
we even have a record of rounding up chuches full of refugees and sending them back to Africa.
How old are you? I don't ask for a critical reason, just if you are over 18, it might be cool to look up the immigration standards and see if you would qualify. I didn't until I was 21-22 and had held down full time world (thus had employable skills) for 2+ years, and because I had more than basic french at the time 🙂.
EDIT: and again, all things considered, 250 000 people isn't a whole lot, considering our size and all. Not to mention the fact that citizens are having fewer children and many wont work at wages competitive in a global market, we could use their labour. All things considered, they want to give our government tax money to spend on our asses.
Originally posted by Rain Dog
I can't believe some people are arguing that he shouldn't be sending money.
Is it really that hard to believe?
It'd be like you being down on your luck in a real bad way, and me being many times over, in debt compared to my annual salary, and I literally had to borrow money to pay my current bills, but then I give you money anyway: money that I did not have to give, when some of my family members needed help as well.
I'd prefer that the foreign aid come from the people and the people to be encouraged to give. Obama did just that, of which I am proud.
I'd be singing a different tune if there were hardly any domestic problems and we had money to spare. If that were the case, I'd be really pissed that we did not use our funds to help other nations that needed it much more.
Originally posted by Rain Dogsending money from donations is one thing. sending money from our taxes is another.
I can't believe some people are arguing that he shouldn't be sending money.
i respect donations being made 100% its your choice and your money if you decide to send no one elses. its an option and of course millions of people are gonna offer to help.
so theres no need for the president to be sending our money when they are getting donations from all over the world.
Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
does it just make your excessively humanitarian probably liberal morally driven heart quake in terror?
Not terror, no. Apt use of the word quake by the way, have you been saving that one for an occasion like this?
I'd say it's not a nice reflection on the personalities of the people complaining about it, though. It's really about time people stopped only caring for those in their own country.
Yes we're all aware that there's problems in every single country that need to be dealt with, but can any of them compare to hundreds of thousands dieing suddenly in a natural disaster? Of course they can't. You should thank your lucky stars you were born into a country with the wealth to be able to help others. You could have lost everything in an instant, instead you have the lovely power to scoff at those who have.
Originally posted by chomperx9
sending money from donations is one thing. sending money from our taxes is another.i respect donations being made 100% its your choice and your money if you decide to send no one elses. its an option and of course millions of people are gonna offer to help.
so theres no need for the president to be sending our money when they are getting donations from all over the world.
If it wasn't given, you'd lose the amount on tourism alone within a year, I reckon.
Also, no need? Do you have any idea of its scale?
Originally posted by chomperx9
sending money from donations is one thing. sending money from our taxes is another.i respect donations being made 100% its your choice and your money if you decide to send no one elses. its an option and of course millions of people are gonna offer to help.
so theres no need for the president to be sending our money when they are getting donations from all over the world.
I'm fine with money being sent by the US government...for now. But I do want some change on how foreign aid is done. Obviously, we can't leave the Haitians high and dry, but after this disaster starts to see dawn, I don't see why we couldn't rein in some of our foreign aid to help (only a small portion) with our money problems.
Originally posted by Rain Dogits already been confirmed that many studios and celebrities have donated money as well. and theres more and more donations being made every day
Not terror, no. Apt use of the word quake by the way, have you been saving that one for an occasion like this?I'd say it's not a nice reflection on the personalities of the people complaining about it, though. It's really about time people stopped only caring for those in their own country.
Yes we're all aware that there's problems in every single country that need to be dealt with, but can any of them compare to hundreds of thousands dieing suddenly in a natural disaster? Of course they can't. You should thank your lucky stars you were born into a country with the wealth to be able to help others. You could have lost everything in an instant, instead you have the lovely power to scoff at those who have.
If it wasn't given, you'd lose the amount on tourism alone within a year, I reckon.
Also, no need? Do you have any idea of its scale?
Originally posted by chomperx9
its already been confirmed that many studios and celebrities have donated money as well. and theres more and more donations being made every day
Of course more and more are being given every day, you clown. I was never trying to say they weren't. Donations given by countries can be put into action much more quickly. Obama didn't go over there with a briefcase full of cash and lay it on the floor.
Originally posted by Rain Dog
but can any of them compare to hundreds of thousands dieing suddenly in a natural disaster? Of course they can't. You should thank your lucky stars you were born into a country with the wealth to be able to help others. You could have lost everything in an instant, instead you have the lovely power to scoff at those who have
Hundreds of thousands dead is just horrible. Just terrible.
Haiti did not need $100 million dollars...they needed tens of thousands of rescue workers, doctors, medics, etc. etc. etc. On top of this, they needed very fast deployments of relief aid, and assistance with policing from looters.
What Haiti needed the most, about 48 hours out from the original 7.0, was not money...but simply some actual help. Throwing money at the problem does not pull people from the rubble. IMO, it was borderline disrespectful to throw that much money at the disaster so soon. It was like throwing a wad of hundreds at a homeless cripple that needed a meal and a place to stay overnight...
Just sad, really. All that loss of life.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Hundreds of thousands dead is just horrible. Just terrible.Haiti did not need $100 million dollars...t
Haiti did not get $100 million dollars...
Haiti is going to get aid.
U.S. Businesses and Aid Workers are the ones who are going to get the $100 million dollars.
Example Bottled Water going to Haiti.
Haiti aren't getting the Money for that Water.
That Money is going to Reccession Hit U.S. business which have product to move and salaries to pay.
Example 2
Rescue Workers on the Ground in Haiti.
Obama isn't giving Haiti money to feed them and pay their overtime and pay out life insurance if they die there.
Don't take my word for it ddm run an eye on first quater profits which will be posted by private businesses involved in the relief effort.
keep an eye on movement in the construction sector.
Originally posted by shiv
Haiti did not get $100 million dollars...Haiti is going to get aid.
U.S. Businesses and Aid Workers are the ones who are going to get the $100 million dollars.
Example Bottled Water going to Haiti.
Haiti aren't getting the Money for that Water.
That Money is going to Reccession Hit U.S. business which have product to move and salaries to pay.Example 2
Rescue Workers on the Ground in Haiti.
Obama isn't giving Haiti money to feed them and pay their overtime and pay out life insurance if they die there.
Don't take my word for it ddm run an eye on first quater profits which will be posted by private businesses involved in the relief effort.
keep an eye on movement in the construction sector.
That's not what I meant when I said Haiti is getting $100 million dollars.
However, I searched and searched and could not find a reference to what you are talking about.
When Obama said that the US would pledge $100 million in aid, I assumed it meant we would be writing checks for the rebuilding and aid expenses, up to $100 million. I did not read anywhere that we would be doing slight "bailout" relief by paying US businesses to provide goods, either. I don't really like that idea, if that's the case. Isn't that a tad underhanded of the Obama administration?