Originally posted by DTM
Her bracers arent going to defend against fists the size of her torso, so her using them to block punches from either of these guys doesnt fly in my book. 🙂 Hulk at this level was the only hero in Marvel to physically crack and beat Onslaught, he took on the above mention Avengers powerhouses at once, not to mention another instance where he took on both the East and West Coast Avengers together. I like WW, I collect her book and I know what she can do, and I just dont see her capable of such feats, or beating an Enraged, Savage Hulk (whose speed and regen increase when hes mad as well) more than not (much less chance against Juggernaut, who I dont even think she can hurt).
Her bracers have held up against similiarly massive sized beings/obstacles, to say nothing of her force field/Aegis effect. Her physical attributes enable her to take it to virtually any high herald and hold her ground. Adding in her gear (especially her sword), makes this a good match up for her.
Originally posted by DTM
Her bracers arent going to defend against fists the size of her torso, so her using them to block punches from either of these guys doesnt fly in my book. 🙂
I think she's blocked Doomsday hits with them, and she's definately blocked Doomsdayified Superman with them, so I'd say they can 🙂 (and in raw fist-side, Giganta punches)
With CIS and PIS off, meaning she'll be using superspeed the whole time, and with her nasty gear, she's got more advantages than normal.
Originally posted by American Dragon
Wonder Woman couldn't even take Hulk and Juggernaut individual because each of them can easily overpower her. So if she fought those two as a team she wouldn't stand a chance.
Explain to me how Hulk deals with the Sword of Hephaestus and Juggernaut avoids the lasso when we have a non CIS/PIS Wonder Woman who will be using her speed the whole time?
Originally posted by DTM
Ive seen such a Hulk battle Hercules, Wonder Man, Iron Man and Namor to a standstill (very possibly the win, if the heroes hadnt called off the fight). I dont see WW fighting and beating that physically powerful a group myself.
You don't think WW can physically beat Hercules, Wonder Man, Iron Man or Namor? 🤨
Originally posted by DTM
Ive seen slower characters than Hulk and Juggernaut hit Superman and Wonder Woman in their careers, more than a few instances at that.
PIS/CIS/Jobbing are all off.
Originally posted by DTM Her bracers arent going to defend against fists the size of her torso, so her using them to block punches from either of these guys doesnt fly in my book.
Originally posted by DTM The lasso is nice, but the lasso trick didnt work on Doomsday, and I dont see it working on these Uber Bruisers either (not a majority of the time anyway).
Originally posted by DTM I like WW, I collect her book and I know what she can do, and I just dont see her capable of such feats, or beating an Enraged, Savage Hulk (whose speed and regen increase when hes mad as well) more than not (much less chance against Juggernaut, who I dont even think she can hurt).
Are you sure you've actually read those books? 🙂 You wouldn't be asking half the questions you are if you have.
Wonder Woman has blocked punches from beings far bigger than her. The fists only need to make contact witht he bracers and they absorb 100% of the damage. That is part of the mythos of the bracers. Accept it buddy 💃
The lasso "trick" won't work on Cain? You can't possibly be serious. Please explain to me how the lasso works on beings far mightier than Cain, but it won't work on him? Are you even aware of what it is capable of doing to him?
You are also ignoring the speed and flight advantage Diana has in this fight.
Even with her standard gear she'd have a shot at this if she fought wisely. With her sword and armor, she flat out stomps. Hulk gets cut up into a lot of tiny pieces. After trading punches for a bit with Cain and seeing that she can't put him down, she'll lasso him for the win. The only way these two could overwhelm her is if she threw down all her gear, *slowed down* and stood there trading punches with them, making no effort to avoid their attacks and letting them both attack her simultaneously. Now does that sound like how a warrior with the wisdom of Athena would fight? Right. It doesn't.
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If there is no PIS/CIS or jobbing then wouldnt the Juggernaut have his forcefield up? Wouldn't he always be in the 8th day Juggernaut form? Juggernaut used to have other abilities like speed that he apparently he forgot over the years. Either way if the Juggernaut could beat Thor who has more abilties than WonderWoman then the Hulk and Juggernaut together would kill her with ease.
Originally posted by big juggy man
If there is no PIS/CIS or jobbing then wouldnt the Juggernaut have his forcefield up? Wouldn't he always be in the 8th day Juggernaut form? Juggernaut used to have other abilities like speed that he apparently he forgot over the years. Either way if the Juggernaut could beat Thor who has more abilties than WonderWoman then the Hulk and Juggernaut together would kill her with ease.
I don't think Thor has more abilities than Wonder Woman, she has a ton (between her, and her gear? It's a laundry list). The lasso's better for BFR than most of Thor's stuff.
And 8th day isn't Juggy just not holding back, it's him with additional granted powers.
I think WW has better offensive weaponry than Thor, with all her god swords and power axes and what not. Like if you need to physically gut something and not send it hurling through time, I'd pick a WW item.
And 8th day Juggernaut was pretty much Juggernaut not holding back. He was really focused because the Wager was activated and it made him more powerful.
Doctor-Alvis If there is no PIS,CIS or jobbing shouldnt Juggernaut always be focused and therefore always be in the 8th day form? Shouldnt Thor always go warrior madness or whatnot? Shouldnt Juggernaut always start a fight with his shield up? Why does this only apply to WonderWoman?
Most people here who arent DC Fanboys pic Thor beat WonderWoman. Classic Juggernaut has took blast far powerful than what WonderWoman can dish out. I believe somebody here said Juggernaut took a blast from Oblivion. In any case Juggernaut should be able to beat Wonderwoman by himself. Putting Hulk there is overkill.
Originally posted by big juggy man
Doctor-Alvis If there is no PIS,CIS or jobbing shouldnt Juggernaut always be focused and therefore always be in the 8th day form? Shouldnt Thor always go warrior madness or whatnot? Shouldnt Juggernaut always start a fight with his shield up? Why does this only apply to WonderWoman?Most people here who arent DC Fanboys pic Thor beat WonderWoman. Classic Juggernaut has took blast far powerful than what WonderWoman can dish out. I believe somebody here said Juggernaut took a blast from Oblivion. In any case Juggernaut should be able to beat Wonderwoman by himself. Putting Hulk there is overkill.
Well, the difference is simple. 8th Day Juggernaut is viewed as an amped version of his standard self, as is Warrior Madness Thor. The same goes for Sundipped Superman, Thanos with the IG, Extremis Iron Man, etc. A lot of those amps are external, centering around plot and other things and as such, unless otherwise mentioned, all characters in forum battles are by default in their current/standard state. Having PIS, CIS, and no Jobbing off, simply means that each character will be using all their skill and powers to the fullest (within that standardized form). The OP simply stated that Diana has her standard gear (which is typical Diana) and the Sword.
As far as Thor vs. Diana goes, it could honestly go either way, though Thor has the greater strength and versatility to boot. Diana's own powers and equipment make her a match for Thor, and in my opinion, a better fight for him than Superman would be. As far as Juggernaut beating Diana easily goes, that will only happen if Diana fights down to his level (figuratively and literally). The same goes for Hulk.
Originally posted by big juggy man
Doctor-Alvis If there is no PIS,CIS or jobbing shouldnt Juggernaut always be focused and therefore always be in the 8th day form? Shouldnt Thor always go warrior madness or whatnot? Shouldnt Juggernaut always start a fight with his shield up? Why does this only apply to WonderWoman?Most people here who arent DC Fanboys pic Thor beat WonderWoman. Classic Juggernaut has took blast far powerful than what WonderWoman can dish out. I believe somebody here said Juggernaut took a blast from Oblivion. In any case Juggernaut should be able to beat Wonderwoman by himself. Putting Hulk there is overkill.
Diana would just fly around Jugs pick him up and procede to throw him into the sky. If Jugs uses his energy flash, Diana would just fly back and continue until he is gone.
Hulk would be slightly harder She cant hurt him but can toy with him and all Hulk can do is slap his hands together a bunch of times and hope he can faze her.
If the lasso can hold him the best she has is smashing his head so fast he finally turns back to Banner....or throwing him into space.