Darkseid vs Superman

Originally posted by Allankles
I'll remember Darkseid's quotes in FC and Seven Soldier's, hell I'll remember his quotes from Kirby's Hunger Dogs. Can you remember a single memorable thing Thanos said in Annhilation?

Thanos is always supposed to be a smart guy but no one ever writes him in a smart way. He doesn't carry out psychological warfare like Darkseid, he doesn't have as convincing a reason as Darkseid to acquire power or rule the universe. In terms of his motivations Thanos is always in limbo.

Not. At. All. Seid is the same boring/stale character imo over and over again while Thanos grows as a character. Seid needs to get the heck over the ale. It's been over 30 years and writers still include this as a main focus of Darkseid's.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you like ceratin stories because of memorable lines? To each his own I guess. Thanos had great lines in other crossovers and none that come to the top of my mind. I can't recall anything Seid saying in fc being even remotely cool.

Not. At. All. Seid is the same boring/stale character imo over and over again while Thanos grows as a character. Seid needs to get the heck over the ale. It's been over 30 years and writers still include this as a main focus of Darkseid's.

I don't like certain stories for memorable lines but for good writing, good writing will inevitably have good lines. The ALE will always be a part of Darkseid because it's his argument for why he is the rightful ruler of creation.

The ALE proves that freedom and free will are in fact false and that DS is the only constant and truth in reality.

And obviously DS isn't going to be diluted like Thanos, becoming anything less than an overwhelming tyrant is unacceptable for a guy like DS. His quest is the reason for his existence afterall, to put the universe into its "true" order.

Do you expect Batman to stop being a crime fighter? Iconic characters remain the same, and Darkseid is iconic. Its guys who haven't yet established a firm identity like Thanos that have to be reevaluated everytime.

Darkseid is iconic.

This is a travesty of a statement.

Another point, when it comes down to personality Darkseid has a rather complex personality, as can be proven by memorable quote after quote.

What is simple in Darkseid's case is his quest, his quest is simple enough on the surface. The exercusion of his goal/s can be complicated of course, since DS doesn't have the benefit of an all powerful artifact to rewrite all the laws of reality.

Originally posted by Blanket
Darkseid is iconic.

This is a travesty of a statement.

Arguably the greatest comic book villain of all time Bran. You'r open to disagree naturally, but I'm content to the fact that I can make an argument for it.

Most cosmic villains aren't half as interesting as DS.

thanos has far more personality than darkseid does

we should make a battlezone to find out who's "cooler"

Originally posted by Allankles
Arguably the greatest comic book villain of all time Bran. You'r open to disagree naturally, but I'm content to the fact that I can make an argument for it.

Most cosmic villains aren't half as interesting as DS.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
thanos has far more personality than darkseid does

we should make a battlezone to find out who's "cooler"

Originally posted by psycho gundam
thanos has far more personality than darkseid does

we should make a battlezone to find out who's "cooler"

True. I'll let Quan post what he feels are Thanos' coolest moments. I hope he doesn't post Thanos tearing up while holding a doll.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Neither of them really have much in the way of personality. I like Darkseid more because unlike Thanos he has no pretense of being anything but a cosmic douchebag.

not sure how you read him that way, opinions differ i guess.

thanos is basically a "if i was a comic, that's what i would do" type of character: he gathers power himself without sitting an a throne all day and commanding hapless lackeys to incompetently do something he could and should do himself, self modifies his body and power so he's always far above his opponents, "fights forum like" to beat opponents by using his powers as effective as possible, and like in a tournament, can and has repeatedly became "LT level" as quick as possible.

the guy's a true pimp

Originally posted by Allankles
True. I'll let Quan post what he feels are Thanos' coolest moments. I hope he doesn't post Thanos tearing up while holding a doll.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Neither of them really have much in the way of personality. I like Darkseid more because unlike Thanos he has no pretense of being anything but a cosmic douchebag.

I don't think Thanos as a character pretends, I think writers just attempt to make him more complex and fail.

Originally posted by Allankles
I don't think Thanos as a character pretends, I think writers just attempt to make him more complex and fail.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
not sure how you read him that way, opinions differ i guess.

thanos is basically a "if i was a comic, that's what i would do" type of character: he gathers power himself without sitting an a throne all day and commanding hapless lackeys to incompetently do something he could and should do himself, self modifies his body and power so he's always far above his opponents, "fights forum like" to beat opponents by using his powers as effective as possible, and like in a tournament, can and has repeatedly became "LT level" as quick as possible.

But you forget to mention that his opposition seems to lose brain cells in the process of his artifact quests. There's something to be said for a guy being direct, but his opposition looks pretty damn weak in the process which takes away from the earlier positives.

I think you have to more balanced when you're writing a comic, otherwise it looks like some fan fiction a 12 year old came up with.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
anyone can

I know, I just want to see Quan's definition of cool.

i guess it comes down to him out maneuvering them by being many steps ahead of his opposition.

the only instance that i would say you are correct in the statement above is the thanos mini where galactus gathers the gems to rid himself of his hunger in a foolish way.

I think you could add Thanos Quest to the list. Inbetweener, Champion, Runner et al were all pretty dumb in that story. The guys who looked half smart like the Gardener and Grandmaster acted too late or didn't even know the power they had.

In fact none of the Elders save Grandmaster really knew what they had, which is odd because they're assumed to be smart and ancient.

well, the elders are over obsessed with their pursuits to the point of looking absent minded in terms of other areas of life. the collector didn't even take the time to explore the reality gem, and the runner and champion were content with the simple subconscious usage of their gems.

Which is all just a convenient excuse to allow the villain to come and punch them in the mouth and make away with all powerful gems.

not really, he used different methods for each of them, and used the gems he accumulated to facilitate him.

only the grandmaster knew the power of the gems, thanos was just the superior cheater. and like a said before, grandmaster's obsession with his pursuit (gambling/gaming) lead to his downfall.

Originally posted by Allankles
I think you could add Thanos Quest to the list. Inbetweener, Champion, Runner et al were all pretty dumb in that story. The guys who looked half smart like the Gardener and Grandmaster acted too late or didn't even know the power they had.

In fact none of the Elders save Grandmaster really knew what they had, which is odd because they're assumed to be smart and ancient.

IB just wanted out, and then he planned to turn on Thanos. I'd want out too if I was locked in a tiny cage.

Runner. What a genius he normally is... same with Champ...

And why would they know what power they had? These are the same guys that banded together and connected a sun/planets to the gems in an effort to drain Galactus... and then got swiftly eaten after Nova destroyed the sun...

Save Grandmaster... funny because he's really the only one who's smart.

Originally posted by Allankles
I don't like certain stories for memorable lines but for good writing, good writing will inevitably have good lines. The ALE will always be a part of Darkseid because it's his argument for why he is the rightful ruler of creation.

The ALE proves that freedom and free will are in fact false and that DS is the only constant and truth in reality.

And obviously DS isn't going to be diluted like Thanos, becoming anything less than an overwhelming tyrant is unacceptable for a guy like DS. His quest is the reason for his existence afterall, to put the universe into its "true" order.

Do you expect Batman to stop being a crime fighter? Iconic characters remain the same, and Darkseid is iconic. Its guys who haven't yet established a firm identity like Thanos that have to be reevaluated everytime.

The ale has never proven this to be the case. It's been overcome as has Darkseid in each and every story.

Yes, and Thanos has actually achieved what Darkseid is still pining after. Ds is a guy gunned down by Batman, outsung by Superman, and outvillained in his major event. That's not something I would want for Thanos by any means.

Thanos hasn't been reevauluated it's just his experiences and triumphs have changed him. He's grown as a character. That's something I like to see as opposed to a cardboard cutout for an evil character. Describing someone as ultimate evil is the oldest trick in the book and one that's been done to multiple characters time and time again.

Originally posted by Allankles
Arguably the greatest comic book villain of all time Bran. You'r open to disagree naturally, but I'm content to the fact that I can make an argument for it.

Most cosmic villains aren't half as interesting as DS.

Originally posted by Allankles
True. I'll let Quan post what he feels are Thanos' coolest moments. I hope he doesn't post Thanos tearing up while holding a doll.

Originally posted by Allankles
I don't think Thanos as a character pretends, I think writers just attempt to make him more complex and fail.

Originally posted by Allankles
Which is all just a convenient excuse to allow the villain to come and punch them in the mouth and make away with all powerful gems.