Bible inaccuracies

Originally posted by King Kandy
Lol, I dare you to prove that is a true story. I bet you can't.

Originally posted by jgiant
No it doesn't I am just stating how modern science still recognizes God as a real force. So you believe that the universe came about by chance and out of nothing and is fine tuned to premit life just out of randomness?

Originally posted by jgiant
Do you believe that there is such a thing as morals?

Originally posted by jgiant
Do you also believe that the laws of nature and the universe are just by chance too, or necessity? If the universe were to expand or contract even the most miniscule amount more than it did in the big bang the universe would collapse into itself, do you believe that this was just because of chance?

There is a trend amongst philosophers and idealists, thinkers and believers. Humans in general really. We have a knack for going to the extremes. In this case you posit, you either believe in Divine Creation, or you believe in Random Chance. There is no room for anything else, not in our minds.

Is it so impossible to consider that whatever force created this existence is beyond our reckoning? Why must it be some "God"? Some entity whose presence so many crave? Is it so impossible to believe that there was no beginning? There will be no end? Is it so impossible to believe that our limited understanding of this universe is not enough to understand it? That we may--we will--never understand it? Is it so impossible to forget about it? To quit troubling ourselves with such matters?

Our meager little lives don't matter--one day we won't even be matter. These fantasies of a better life, of a kind Lord, of an immortal soul... they slow us down, get in our way. Unfortunate it is, that so many require such delusions simply to feel content. To feel safe. To know that there IS a reason--an answer. An answer to Why and How. Something to ease the burden of eternity. But that's humans for you. We can learn to cope with anything, except Zero and Infinity.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
No, I don't believe that.

No, I don't believe in morals.

*sigh*

There is a trend amongst philosophers and idealists, thinkers and believers. Humans in general really. We have a knack for going to the extremes. In this case you posit, you either believe in Divine Creation, or you believe in Random Chance. There is no room for anything else, not in our minds.

Is it so impossible to consider that whatever force created this existence is beyond our reckoning? Why must it be some "God"? Some entity whose presence so many crave? Is it so impossible to believe that there was no beginning? There will be no end? Is it so impossible to believe that our limited understanding of this universe is not enough [b]to understand it? That we may--we will--never understand it? Is it so impossible to forget about it? To quit troubling ourselves with such matters?

Our meager little lives don't matter--one day we won't even be matter. These fantasies of a better life, of a kind Lord, of an immortal soul... they slow us down, get in our way. Unfortunate it is, that so many require such delusions simply to feel content. To feel safe. To know that there IS a reason--an answer. An answer to Why and How. Something to ease the burden of eternity. But that's humans for you. We can learn to cope with anything, except Zero and Infinity. [/B]

Originally posted by jgiant
I respect your opinions and that is a possibility. I just look at the evidence (science, order and design, universal sense of good and evil, universal laws of nature, the complexity of life and the universe, personal experiences, Biblical accuracy, historically and prophetically, and the way finding Jesus has changed my life) that I have seen and continue to see and it all points to the God of the Bible being the one true God. Though I definiatly see where you are coming from and understand. But I cannot accept this veiw on account of the overwhleming evidence pointing to a God and not an eternal universe that has no morals. If thats the case than raping a child is just as acceptable as saving someone who is drowning.

Couldn't your argument (if assumed to be true) be used to defend the point of view of a first century Roman (non-christian) when talking to an early Christian?

From the point of view of a Roman, the idea of many gods agrees with his/her experiences, contemporary religious writings on Roman gods and history as understood by the Roman? Wouldn't they say "Though I definitely see where you are coming from and understand. But I cannot accept this view on account of the overwhelming evidence pointing to many gods"?

If that is not true, then I have to ask why are you (or Christians today) so special?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Couldn't your argument (if assumed to be true) be used to defend the point of view of a first century Roman (non-christian) when talking to an early Christian?

From the point of view of a Roman, the idea of many gods agrees with his/her experiences, contemporary religious writings on Roman gods and history as understood by the Roman? Wouldn't they say "Though I definitely see where you are coming from and understand. But I cannot accept this view on account of the overwhelming evidence pointing to many gods"?

If that is not true, then I have to ask why are you (or Christians today) so special?

Originally posted by jgiant
There really isn't anything different. The only argument I have is that I know I have a secure place in eternity. Only time will tell if Christianity will last, but I am willing to say with certainty that it will survive as a dominant religion unlike Roman mythology. It is also interesting to note that the Christian religion (which was originally Jewdasim) is the second oldest practicing religion next to Hinduism.

Originally posted by King Kandy
That is so wrong it's not even funny. Judaism is way older than christianity. So is Zoroastrianism.

Originally posted by jgiant
To have Christianity you must have Jewdasim. Jesus Christ is the Messiah of the Old Testament.

Secondly you are aware that there is a distinct religion of Judaism that people in the modern world practice, right? Judaism as practiced by Jews, is much older than Christianity.

Originally posted by King Kandy
First of all it's "Judaism", not "Jewdaism".

Secondly you are aware that there is a distinct religion of Judaism that people in the modern world practice, right? Judaism as practiced by Jews, is much older than Christianity.

Yes. Have you ever heard of a NON-messianic Jew, and understand that they by far outnumber messianic ones?

Originally posted by King Kandy
Yes. Have you ever heard of a NON-messianic Jew, and understand that they by far outnumber messianic ones?

But you can have part 1 without part 2. And many do.

inaccuracies 🙄

Originally posted by jgiant
I respect your opinions and that is a possibility. I just look at the evidence (science, order and design, universal sense of good and evil, universal laws of nature, the complexity of life and the universe, personal experiences, Biblical accuracy, historically and prophetically, and the way finding Jesus has changed my life) that I have seen and continue to see and it all points to the God of the Bible being the one true God. Though I definiatly see where you are coming from and understand. But I cannot accept this veiw on account of the overwhleming evidence pointing to a God and not an eternal universe that has no morals. If thats the case than raping a child is just as acceptable as saving someone who is drowning.

Good thing you're not the deciding member in a jury. "I have a sense that Mr. Dahmer is not guilty".

😬

Originally posted by jgiant
There really isn't anything different. The only argument I have is that I know I have a secure place in eternity. Only time will tell if Christianity will last, but I am willing to say with certainty that it will survive as a dominant religion unlike Roman mythology. It is also interesting to note that the Christian religion (which was originally Jewdasim) is the second oldest practicing religion next to Hinduism.

However, you have more in common with my first century Roman, then just the idea that all religions have a life cycle. You and the Roman both have devotion. So, if you both believe with all your heart that your beliefs are true, why is the Roman's belief untrue and your true? It seems to me that they should both be the same.

I guess the age of your religion is important to you. Therefore, let me point out that I am a Buddhist, and you know how old Buddhism is.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
You purport that a "sense of good and evil" is "evidence"? Since when did a "sense" become evidence?

Good thing you're not the deciding member in a jury. "I have a sense that Mr. Dahmer is not guilty".

😬

stop trying to bring the man down.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
However, you have more in common with my first century Roman, then just the idea that all religions have a life cycle. You and the Roman both have devotion. So, if you both believe with all your heart that your beliefs are true, why is the Roman's belief untrue and your true? It seems to me that they should both be the same.

I guess the age of your religion is important to you. Therefore, let me point out that I am a Buddhist, and you know how old Buddhism is.

Originally posted by jgiant
Yes around the 6th century BC. Age is of minor importance to me. The age does show the uniqueness of the religion considering the belife of one God was not solidly present before Judasim. Yes, I've researched Zoroastrianism and and I do not think the evidence is convincing enough to state that Zoroastrianism belief in one God without any other side gods was established before Judasim. I have come to the conclusion that Jesus is the Son of God; based on my research on many religions and through personal experiences, the Lord answering my prayers and an inner change of personal belifes and life styles I can only attribute to the Holy Spirit. I cannot say anything else other than that to answer your question.

Please read my question again. I never said anything about Zoroastrianism or the first one god religion. It's possible (I've gone it myself) that you read my post after reading all the other posts and put them all together. I'm not asking you what the other people are asking you. I am asking you a more fundamental question.

Let me take a different approach: Do you think that people of other religions are censer? Would you be surprised to know that they use the same logic to support their religious beliefs as you do?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Please read my question again. I never said anything about Zoroastrianism or the first one god religion. It's possible (I've gone it myself) that you read my post after reading all the other posts and put them all together. I'm not asking you what the other people are asking you. I am asking you a more fundamental question.

Let me take a different approach: Do you think that people of other religions are censer? Would you be surprised to know that they use the same logic to support their religious beliefs as you do?

Originally posted by jgiant
I totally understand. But here are a few reasons why I believe the Bible is the Word of God. The Bible is consistently proven itself over years of critisism to stand the test of time. Over and over again skeptics have been proven wrong when trying to debunk the Bible. The skeptics said the Hitties never existed and therefore the Bible was wrong. They believed that there was no such thing as the House of David and they found evidence of that being accurate. There are many other archeological finds that have further proven the Bible historically accurate. The book of Job is one of the first (if not the first) to state that the Earth was round and was held up by nothing. Job contains many statments about nature that were unheard of at the time, which have been proven correct. The prophecies in the Old Testament were said to be written after Jesus's life and death and that was proven wrong by the Dead Sea Scrolls. If you believe that Jesus lived (which I do) than those prophecies, which dated at least a few hundred years before his birth, were not just by chance. Also many other prophecies in the Bible, which have came true and continue to come true, furthered my faith. As well as the incredible harmoney that spans hundreds of years from around 40 different authors (from different parts of the middle east) that is contained in Scripture, helped further my faith. The fact that these manuscripts have survivied as well as God's chosen people (who many have tried to erase from existance), helped further my faith. The Bible is a unique book, who who has no equal in my opinion. And again personal experiences.

These are simply beliefs on your part, and not facts. Why would the bible be more correct then the Koran? It also has historical facts written into it's pages, and it also claims to be the word of god.