Originally posted by rotiart
Except that to interpret that only abraxas was hit is to misread the comic entirelyeternity stated to representative of all time lines and realities
galactus tells reed to end time
reed fires upon all that is
reed tells us all the realities realign after the eventreed did not fire at abraxas
to reed that is to have looked at the picture in those comics without reading the narration and statments...Or going off handbook fallacies.
Go on. Go reread those four issues and see if it says anything close to reed firing at abraxas.
Whether the UN was used on Abraxas or Eternity makes no difference to the point. The universe was reset, therefore all that Abraxas did throughout reality was undone. Abraxas and his destruction was stated to mess up the alignment of realities, if his native universe is reset, if his actions are undone, the realities are re-aligned. Simple.
Youre stubbornly insisting that the UN went across the whole multiverse and did this directly which is crazy because
a) Youre refusing to acknowledge the POSSIBILITY that instead the universe was reset therefore all of Abraxas' actions never happened therefore undoing the damage he caused
b) Youre ignoring the scale of power set for the UN within the majority of its showings on panel and the level of power stated in the handbooks which is supportive of these showings.
Your interpretation is contrary to the majority of UN showings and a handbook entry. Id understand referring to the entry as fallacy if it wasn't in support of on panel showings but it is. Accept the fact that the incident is open to interpretation, don't be so arrogant as to believe the way you interpreted it, is the ONLY way. Once you do that and regard what ive said as a possibility, then you can look at the fact that the majority of continuity and the handbook entry matches what i have said and make up your mind. Its all about objectivity.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
People who ignore handbooks when they support what is stated on panel and in the majority of continuity are ineffective debators.Do not confuse nature with power. Having no counterparts in the universe does not have any direct correlation to someones level of power. Rachel Grey also has no counterparts.
Please do not confuse role with power. Roma is omniversal guardian and yet inherently without access to machinery and devices she is no universal power.
Captain Universe and Quasar are universal protectors, they both would get decimated by Silver Surfer.
Just to summarize, nature does not directly correlate with power.
Role does not equal power level.
Thank you.
Ha, I remember saying something very similar to this back in '07 during one of our exchanges.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Whether the UN was used on Abraxas or Eternity makes no difference to the point. The universe was reset, therefore all that Abraxas did throughout reality was undone. Abraxas and his destruction was stated to mess up the alignment of realities, if his native universe is reset, if his actions are undone, the realities are re-aligned. Simple.Youre stubbornly insisting that the UN went across the whole multiverse and did this directly which is crazy because
a) Youre refusing to acknowledge the POSSIBILITY that instead the universe was reset therefore all of Abraxas' actions never happened therefore undoing the damage he caused
b) Youre ignoring the scale of power set for the UN within the majority of its showings on panel and the level of power stated in the handbooks which is supportive of these showings.
Your interpretation is contrary to the majority of UN showings and a handbook entry. Id understand referring to the entry as fallacy if it wasn't in support of on panel showings but it is. Accept the fact that the incident is open to interpretation, don't be so arrogant as to believe the way you interpreted it, is the ONLY way. Once you do that and regard what ive said as a possibility, then you can look at the fact that the majority of continuity and the handbook entry matches what i have said and make up your mind. Its all about objectivity.
Your entire argument is absurd!.
you said it can be interpreted as the un hitting abraxas
which i called bs on and challeneged you to prove, so you went off on a tangent that i never talked about to act as if it proves something? trying to deflect the argument to an apparent tangent that i never stated is just ignorant.
To quote roma "into each reality eternity made certain there was a galactus to keep abraxas in check. Until this realities galactus died, and the doors to the multiverse became unhinged.
With the un in hand abraxas tells us "There isn't a soul in the combined universes that can stop me".
and if you're gonna go by the handbooks. it says that the un was going to be used by abraxas to destroy all galactus's across the multiverse. yet in the comic book, it shows us that all galactus's were already dead, as the resurrected galactus of 616 is referred to as the "last galactus"
and oddly enough galactus told him that this time can only end one way. time refers to eternity doesn't it.
the entire four issues refer to the fear that abraxas seeks to end eternity... reed tells us in the end that was never abraxas's intention, and thus he must do what abraxas wont...
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Whether the UN was used on Abraxas or Eternity makes no difference to the point. The universe was reset, therefore all that Abraxas did throughout reality was undone. Abraxas and his destruction was stated to mess up the alignment of realities, if his native universe is reset, if his actions are undone, the realities are re-aligned. Simple.Youre stubbornly insisting that the UN went across the whole multiverse and did this directly which is crazy because
a) Youre refusing to acknowledge the POSSIBILITY that instead the universe was reset therefore all of Abraxas' actions never happened therefore undoing the damage he caused
b) Youre ignoring the scale of power set for the UN within the majority of its showings on panel and the level of power stated in the handbooks which is supportive of these showings.
Your interpretation is contrary to the majority of UN showings and a handbook entry. Id understand referring to the entry as fallacy if it wasn't in support of on panel showings but it is. Accept the fact that the incident is open to interpretation, don't be so arrogant as to believe the way you interpreted it, is the ONLY way. Once you do that and regard what ive said as a possibility, then you can look at the fact that the majority of continuity and the handbook entry matches what i have said and make up your mind. Its all about objectivity.
a. if all of abraxas's actions were undone. how the hell does that explain a pregnant sue. because abraxas had nothing to do with it.
b. the weapon is called by roma as a weapon of unimaginable power... she who uses the celestial nullifier to end universes.. calls the ultimate nullifier unimaginable power... a weapon that they had to hide in 3 pieces across difference universes of the multiverse. and that eternity represents all timelines...
so i'll be arrogant if i please. you are now trying to restate your prior claim so as to not appear incorrect. so.. yah. bs.
Originally posted by GalacticStormb) Youre ignoring the scale of power set for the UN within the majority of its showings on panel and the level of power stated in the handbooks which is supportive of these showings.
No, he isn't ignoring anything. He's RIGHT.
"Should Abraxas reach the nullifier before we do, he can obliterate all the combined realities of the multiverse"
-FF Vol. 3 #46. I dont have the scan because i have the actual comic open right in front of me.
and obviously, the UN doesn't scale itself in power to the person who uses it.
Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
No, he isn't ignoring anything. He's RIGHT."Should Abraxas reach the nullifier before we do, he can obliterate all the combined realities of the multiverse"
-FF Vol. 3 #46. I dont have the scan because i have the actual comic open right in front of me.
and obviously, the UN doesn't scale itself in power to the person who uses it.
Edit: I don't have an Image Shack account, I uploaded it as a guest, so IDK for how long the image is going to last.
