Batdude's Match #5: Leonidas/Galan007 vs. Kris Blaze/KM

Team KB/KM Post #5

Surtur fight
Well, no, not what I was going for at all. I was simply saying that when Loki is fighting Surtur, he is giving it his best. Meaning that he’ll put everything he has into the energy blasts and so on. So yes, you do not address the point I made or the scans I posted. In the scans we clearly see him returning to the fight. Loki also happened to get right back up after Surtur’s attack. Thor needed a comic and a half to recover. Not as impressive for the Thunder-god. Kurse scans are right around the corner, not difficult to compare who survived the greatest punishment in those either.

Several spells
Oh you are quite right. I did not post the entire comic there. The comic has a lot of pages where Loki is not featured, so naturally I would not post it all. I have not you seen post more than a 2 scan long sequence, so how you can somehow demand this? You can not. The scans shows that he can cast spells repeatedly without tiring. If you do not call turning a fish into a loch ness monster thousands times bigger than its original shape an amplification, what is? The guy revived dinosaurs and brought other things to life, as well as throwing around matter manipulation/reality warping like a devil. Loki -has- proven that he can cast many spells repeatedly. Did you not see the illusion which fooled Surtur, the clones and tens of energy blasts? I sure did.

Oh great, he can withstand pheremones in the body his essence is currently housing? That is definitely proof that he can withstand magic far more powerful than him. I’m leaving this one for KM.

Dome/force field
For some reason you’re under the opinion that the force field/dome will cause Loki to cast spells inside of it. That’s not just an outlandish claim, but an outlandish claim you can’t prove. I’ve shown scans of him casting spells form Asgard-earth, the guy can work his magic from dimensions apart or from Asgard to Skrull space. His magic goes through Odin’s barriers, but it’s supposed to be stopped by the ones that he is creating together with Talisman? Reaching.

Wooden Viking
Yes, the hammer will hit the Viking. If it does any sort of damage, the Viking will simply heal it. Just like it did the first time it was around. Remember? When Thor’s hammer strikes were not able to do any lasting damage. And still, you can not believe that Loki can magnetize wood. Think it’s time for me to stop addressing these ludicrous claims.

Mjolnir
Prove that Cyttorak is beyond Skyfather. Prove that Thor can negate more than a single magic spell, prove that he can negate someone who’s magic is not being -FED TO THEM FROM AN EXETERNAL SOURCE- as Loki’s power is his own. Talisman II and Comet have magical pouches and draw their power from within. Taking away a small part of someone’s power does not mean that you can take away all of it. This is basic stuff. We also have force fields/shields created by a suped up Captain Comet. Even if this laughable plan of yours somehow plays itself out, it would still not deal with these.

Surfer
You mean prove that Surfer was empowered when he was locked on Earth by Galactus’ barrier? Really Leo, really? You’re really trying to make up stuff now. Since supposedly Surfer was not empowered, but only restricted by Galactus’ barrier? Hah. You’re also ignoring the context around Surfer WINNING THE FIGHT- without any injuries and admitting the hammer is more powerful. Loki is indeed the trickster god, fooling not only Surfer but you as well. He was pretending to measure his power, when he was actually transferring it. End of story.

Warrior Madness
Not even going to debate this. How you’re going to induce a state of mind in a fight where the characters are lobotomized is beyond me. If you wish to stick with this then prove that it makes him 10 times more powerful. Warrior madness is something which relies on Thor acting in character, if he does indeed act in character then this would not be a tourney match, nor would you guys be in control. It might increase his strength, but the guy can’t enter it anyways:
1. http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Loki%20feats/WM.jpg

I would also like to see the scans of the times Thor has supposedly entered Warrior Madness? Blood and Thunder was confirmed to something else by Odin, the man who coined the term. Which means that his fight against Maestro Hulk remains, where he used one lightning-bolt before entering WM.

Speed
So when will the lies stop? We all know that Comet can move as fast as the Flash and fight speedsters, and he’s twice as fast now. There’s no debating whether or not he’s faster, he simply is. You can also joke about dodging lasers, joking is al you have here anyways, but perceiving and casting a spell on radio-waves is not the same. Radio Waves move at light speed, end of discussion. There’s no kind of predicting where they go, Loki sees and interrupts. Just like he sees and interrupts a telepathic message, almost just as fast. You guys are being slowed down anyways.

Telepathy
Another issue you’ve forgotten is the fact that we have three very capable telepaths, where as you rely on Nate alone. It seems highly unlikely for him to be able to resist an amplified Captain Comet’s telepathic attack. What were he to do if both Loki and Talisman II were to join in? Flashes have a long history of being tagged by telepathy and we -know- that Thor can be affected by Loki. There’s also one thing you need to take into consideration, telepathic defences work the best against -CONTROL- and not attacks -ATTACKS- There are many incidents where a superior telepath has been attacked by an inferior one telepathically. Don’t even try to play absorption, because all of our guys trump that.

Misc spells
You two are right about some of Loki’s spells. The gas globules rely on there being a dead volcano nearby, and while there are quite a few on Mars, it’s by no measure guaranteed to work. It’s the same with Adamantium, while he does have reality warping, it’s a possibility it would not play out. This is all right however. The baseline spells are the ones we rely on the most, namely force fields and invisibility/intangibility. The gas globules and Adamantium coatings are simply additional layers of offence and defence. If the judges do in fact agree that he would not be able to cast these, then it’s just two less spells for him to spend energy on.

You also neglected to comment on when he was stealing the covenants telepathy it augmented him

*scratches head* Did you READ the scan you posted? AFTER siphoning, he augmented. He wasn’t amped to perform the feat. We drain you and get stronger. Perfectly legal.

exact temporal copies of the original Alpha Flight

yeah, that’s what I thought. in order for the second pouch to exist he needed to pluck shaman from the timestream and bring him to the future. Yeah, not legal I’m afraid—pesky time manip rule. . . Shaman can in NO WAY AT ALL, obtain a pouch the way you described.

RE: DUST/FOG

*First, can I see a scan of this dust? I don’t think you’ve shown it. if I missed it, my bad.*

now judges, all jokes aside, time for you and them to realize how badly they f’d up. Note in their prep that they have used this dust/fog while SIMULTANEOUSLY entering the BF behind multiple layers of shielding (and even adamantium if you can actually entertain that notion for more than a nano-second!). Problem is, they can’t have it BOTH ways. If their shields are up, they can’t cast their spells. If they cast their spells, they have no shields—unless they prove talisman can cast his dust while sealed behind by comet’s shields and loki’s forcefields not to mention his own forcefields and, er, adamantium.

So, shields and no spells, or spells and no shields. Neither one works very well for them. Note that at the start of OUR prep, we preface our attack with—IF APPROPRIATE. Why can we do that?

BECAUSE WE HAVE THE PERCEPTUAL SPEED OF THE FLASH. That allows us to see what they are doing THEN react to it. Again, our speed allows US to dictate how the battle goes. Look at the opening scans again—the bystanders don’t even know a battle is HAPPENING! (Which raises a MASSIVE LOL at the idea that flash needs to build “momentum” to move quickly. In those scans he UNCONSCIOUSLY entered hyperspeed and instantly matched the speed of the ninjas). Our speed advantage is HUGE in this match, and something they simply cannot counter. Hell, loki couldn’t even raise COBRA’s speed past the point where thor was unable to follow him with his eyes!

So, if we see they have shields raised, (therefore no spells or magic to worry about) thor KEEPS his hammer and blitzes the shields, pounding them into nothing or absorbing them. Their shields would fall and they would lack TIME to cast. Walter takes out talisman (I say her for a reason I will expound on at the end) with a thousand cl100 punches before she knows what hits her. Whatever marginal amp (and even KB admitted the amps would be small) loki could give her would be NOTHING next to the speed we have. Thor would take comet out with his UBER strength and lightning blasts. The idea that this “TK SLOW DOWN” would work on anyone as strong and fast as we are is barely worth mentioning, especially since they are using the fact that he slowed down some NORMAL HUMANS to back it up. And that’s forgetting the fact that NATE HIMSELF COULD SIMPLY—AT LEAST!!—BALANCE OUT THE ASSAULT, NEGATING ITS EFFECTS ENTIRELY! nate could take out comet OR loki via mental drain if it came to that or just use blasts like this:

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/9461/xma7020wq9.jpg

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/8388/xma7021mp1.jpg

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/6919/xma7022pc9.jpg

Let’s say they forego shields and use this dust (which it seems they do). Well, then they’re REALLY screwed. Again, our perceptual speed allows us to see them in slow-motion and gives us tons of time to react to it. at that point, nate just TK FREEZES the area BEFORE they can even cast the dust or we simply speedblitz them into submission. If the freeze is effective (recall it wasn’t mentioned in prep as we thought it would be illegal) thor keeps mjolnir and kills comet with 1000 hammer blows or an anti-force blast. Walter ko’s talisman before she can even cast the dust and Nate mentally drains loki. Frankly, our problem is we have too many viable options.

Now, let’s suppose somehow they DO have time to cast it--there is no proof whatsoever that thor couldn’t simply counter-balance or override this ‘wind spirit’ and send it straight back at them! And nate’s can instantly filter the air if we NEEDED it to:

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/7788/xmenunlimited3136at1.jpg

There is also nothing to show that walter’s whirlwind couldn’t simply disperse it. Or we could always just, you know, HOLD OUR BREATH for the pico-second it would take to just . . . RUN THROUGH IT! again too many choices.

Dust=meaningless

catches up to Sinestro

lord . . . sinestro barely looked like he was MOVING, let alone traveling at superspeeds!

ko’es Super Woman

you mean the one where he set up some sort of TK spidey-sense that tipped him off and let him dodge ONE punch?? You want THOSE scans to convince someone you can keep up with someone FASTER THAN FLASH!?

defeats Johnny Quick even after he gets sucker punched

cool. He was too slow to REACT to quick! Imagine how he’ll fare against a group that makes quick SLOW in comparison . . .

mentions he can move as fast as Flash

SAYS he can move as fast? Moving on.

You have Nate already doing many different things

sigh. he has his own shield up, and he created armor. THAT’S IT. depending on what YOU do, he then FREEZES the area, counters your TK SLOWDOWN, OR simply attacks with tp, draining your mental energy and getting STRONGER for the effort. He also has flash-level speed.

Why does destroying a planet equal TK power?

I guess because nate’s power is HIS MIND.

Comet is a superior telekinetic and was given a boost in this battle

hm. Let’s see—we can destroy planets with out mind, reach out across the multiverse with tp, freeze huge areas (not ‘slow them down’). Our shields stop planet-busters easily and we can drain your mind. BUT . . . you’re stronger. Lol?

wouldn’t work here in this battle, especially with faster, stronger more versatile foes

the area was very large AND we have shaman who is FAR stronger than normal nate. He also froze a superhuman and awed cable. And hilarious you’re saying it wouldn’t work because YOU guys are too strong, yet you feel your own little SLOW DOWN will stop us who are FAR stronger AND faster! Oi . . .

all Shaman has to do is say “shush” and your frozen.

so I guess you really ARE foregoing shields. Sweet. Blitzed and ko’d before she can say anything at all. J

Talisman I just suffered brain damage and was struggling even to walk.

so unshielded you think she can stand up to a 1000 cl100 punches from walter? ❌

That’s not even half as bad and Flash at full power too

gotta hit him first and no one on your team can come CLOSE to that. Oh, and cuz you seem to keep forgetting: good luck getting through THE PSI-ARMOR WALTER IS WEARING THAT EVEN THANOS HAD TROUBLE CRACKING!

That's time manipulation

The scans show how fast nate is capable of perceiving things ON HIS OWN. I didn’t say he was going to time manip. And first you want to pull a pouch from the past, now you want to use magic to somehow freeze us? Sketchy.

What's stopping your team from being frozen with this tactic?

speedblitz. J

Dark X-Men scans are banned

no they aren’t and he wasn’t amped. prove he is more powerful now than the shaman was before he “died”. Good luck.

-Shaman can indeed create two pouches

with his special ‘pouch coin’ that lets him pull one from the past. Yeah. No.

-Sleeping dust can be dispersed as much as needed with the wind spirit and Comet's TK

not through shields. Or you don’t use shields. We like both options, actually. AND we counter the dust about a dozen ways.

-Comet is just as fast as Flash

not worth rebutting.

-Talisman or Comet could say "shush" and freeze you in your tracks and Nate's freeze tactic won't work

so comet, an inferior tk user can freeze us but we can’t freeze you even though we’re way stronger and way faster? Makes sense. and shaman’s spell is meaningless—without shields up you are blitzed and ko’d or nate drains your mental energy and gets stronger for it. and that spell seems a lot like time manip or offensive matter manip or a loophole insta-kill. Not that it matters, but something for judges to consider. J

now, a final point about talisman. cdb raised this issue in the last match but I’m not sure the judges paid near enough attention to it. I’ve referred to Michael as SHE throughout because they seem to have drafted TWO characters for this match. They are using elizabeth’s feats absolutely interchangeably throughout this whole thing so far. I call BS. Just because they wear the same artifact does NOT mean they can use it equally effectively. Clearly they wanted the pouch AND the talisman but to get they needed Michael AS talisman. Problem is, he has next to no feats compared to Elizabeth. Their solution? Just use liz’s! ridiculous. Just because they use the same item does NOT mean they can interchange feats—especially as regularly as they have been. Would I use thor’s feats for masterson’s? ss’s for firelord? Hal’s for guy’s?? judges, I’d ask that you consider that closely this time around. They have him doing all this stuff, but have next to ZERO proof to say he CAN do these things! And all the talk in the world can’t change a lack of proof.

Originally posted by -K-M-
I have no idea why you would assume your team would be going so fast our team wouldn’t react especially with the upgrades we have given each other. The thing is you guys have neglected the fact Flash needs momentum to get any kind of serious speed. Here Flash had to run 1500 miles away from Grodd and then charged at him to build momentum. Our team > Grodd
1. http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/nightgrod8.jpg
2. http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/nightgrod9.jpg

Here Flash mentions if he doesn’t have momentum he can’t even run on water. So in short your team is not bullrushing anyone so all your plans going at superspeed…nuh uh. So that precious time you need to actually reach your top speed which would be hindered by TK slowdown, “shush” your momentum giving the wind more time then it needs to reach you and put you and your team to sleep
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/Flash66p08.jpg

Here Flash kicks himself into hyperspeed instantly:
http://img402.imageshack.us/i/flash5.jpg/

Here Flash saves 532,000 people from a nuclear explosion (which was already occurring, btw) by carrying them 35 miles away (one way)….. in .00001 microseconds:
http://img294.imageshack.us/i/flash1q.jpg/
http://img693.imageshack.us/i/flash2t.jpg/

Here he lends a Superman enough speed that he can outrace light, find a target, defeat the guards and leave before the light gets there (Supes was limited to sublight at the time):
http://img22.imageshack.us/i/flash8.jpg/
http://img691.imageshack.us/i/flash9.jpg/
http://img200.imageshack.us/i/flash10.jpg/
http://img297.imageshack.us/i/flash11.jpg/

Here Wally battles Zoom; ultimately owning him with a lightspeed punch “that packs the force of a white dwarf star”… from point blank:
http://img33.imageshack.us/i/flash6e.jpg/
http://img200.imageshack.us/i/flash7.jpg/

You may also note that their whole ‘battle’ only lasted a picosecond.

Of course there is more proof that Flash doesn’t need to build momentum to gain uber speed, but there should be no reason to post it.

Originally posted by -K-M-
They do not instantly go into lightspeed mode.

Originally posted by -K-M-
In addition, we still have defenses such as telekinetic shields that wouldn’t be cancelled out even if your attack would work (which it wouldn’t). Why would you say that? Piledriver punched a weakened Talisman in the gut with no shields and it only make her stronger and she/he has taken various other class 100 blows. So no that’s not reasonable in the least. In addition, as the scans I posted her blasts have shown to incinerate an alternate reality Thor.

And do you honestly think Talisman could simply “take” a blitz from Walter (who would be in the psi-armor, which augments his strength to Hulk-level?) if so I would sure like to see your actual proof to back up such a wild claim.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Unlikely as first Flash wouldn’t even know it’s coming, so why would he instantly create a whirlwind? Not likely. In addition it’s not like it’s a tornado or anything so its even more unlikely Flash would counter the wind for no odd reason.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Indeed there are, and Comet has used his speed to fight Superman and various other speedsters. Comet has been in the business longer then Superman and others been born, he knows how to fight and it’s downright silly to say he couldn’t use his speed in combat situation when he himself has beat speedsters.

If you fail to provide said proof again, then I will be inclined to believe no such proof exists. Ergo, Comet is NOT on par with the Flash-level speed we possess.

Originally posted by -K-M-
That’s nice, but that doesn’t change the fact Wonder Woman has easily kept up with Flash and Superman on more then one occasion. It’s the same principle of Flash giving Superman speed to outrun a laser beam in space, yet we know their very close in speed nes pa? Does that mean Superman is much slower then Flash? No. Same principle as others lending speed to Flash so he could compete with Zoom. Just because you give someone a boost in speed doesn’t make them much slower.

And FYI, Supes was unable to reach light speed (and beyond) back when Wally lent him speed. So obviously he was not as fast.

Originally posted by -K-M-
What’s your basis her speed is nothing to Walter? Especially when Walter considers her a worthy speed rival (his words). Also let’s not forget how easily Comet defeated Super Woman.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Ignoring it won’t make it go away, especially the fact as noted Comet uses his lightspeed abilities to planet hop.

So unless you’ve proof that Comet can perform the latter, then there is no logical reason for me to assume he will just start battling at aforementioned speeds in this match.

Originally posted by -K-M-
What does Wally have to do with this? That was Walter not Wally so no idea why you brought that up. In addition, if you wish to go that route Impluse has surprised Walter and even Jessie Quick and Jay has caught up to him countless times. The reason he was stated to be better was he could take away speed and vibrate through things without destroying it. Jay was most impressed that he could take away speed not his top speed.

Furthermore, Walter left Impulse, Max, Jesse, and Jay in the dust. They even stated he was “faster than Wally”… and “WAY faster than any of them”:
http://img690.imageshack.us/i/flash12.jpg/

So Walter was > Wally for more reasons than just his exotic abilities.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Sketchy? Errr why? The scans even indicated he made a duplicate and the temporal copy of Shaman used the duplicate pouch, while the Shaman prime had his in space as noted. Not hard to understand, there were two copies of the original Alpha Flight running around at the same time. One in space, the other on Earth and that was all done by Shaman.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Yeah no, as Kris is going to explain. If he actually was weakened and not have enough stamina to do those things (he would), Comet and Talisman could just easily heal him and give him back his strength instantly.
1. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/AlphaFlight86-11.jpg
2. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/AlphaFlight86-17.jpg

"To put this in perspective, one attosecond is to one second what one second is to the age of the universe."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attosecond

guys have neglected the fact Flash needs momentum to get any kind of serious speed

yeah, clearly that’s the case in our opening scans. Galan can continue to deal with this unbelieveable claim.

First off you’re using magic to cancel the guy whose power is to cancel magic

so, where ARE all these scans of MICHAEL canceling magic? Imagine our shock at seeing . . . ELIZABETH scans! And you need to stop committing the dreaded ‘no limit fallacy’. It’s not like when . . . WHOEVER you drafted is near magic they auto absorb it! come on now. With out speedblitz and physical power, there is nothing stopping either thor or walter from doing THIS:

http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/4825/alphaflight3720.jpg
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/147/alphaflight3721.jpg

not a spirit, a still living man—using powerful magic. You wanna use liz’s feats, guess we can too.

and the presence of magic only makes him stronger?

yeah, clearly that ALWAYS happens . . . and like thor has NO history of absorbing or dealing with magic and uber opponents? Sigh . . .

Comet has used his speed to fight Superman and various other speedsters

cool, so let’s see the scans. 🙂

Does that mean Superman is much slower then Flash? No.

yeah. When you’re talking about a flash, there is flash and everyone else.

What’s your basis her speed is nothing to Walter?

see above.

Ignoring it won’t make it go away

ironic, yes? Since we’ve repeatedly asked for proof of comet’s flash-level speed and got . . . him chasing sinestro and ducking a punch from a ww wanna-be. Oh, and comet SAYING he’s as fast as flash.

Comet himself has been augmented, yet you guys keep avoiding that issue

not at all. we just don’t believe—based on the proof—that the amp would mean very much.

The scans even indicated he made a duplicate and the temporal copy of Shaman used the duplicate pouch,

well, cuz it’s illegal.

and Talisman could just easily heal him and give him back his strength instantly.
1. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l...Flight86-11.jpg
2. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l...Flight86-17.jpg

he woke someone up. You think THAT scan proves he could empower an exhausted loki to do all these things you have him try and do?? again, that’s not even remotely the same thing.

every single one of our members has been drastically augmented

slight amps that will mean nothing in this match as you are STILL les powerful in mind, strength and speed

Our shields are still in place

then no magic spells? Cool.

You wish to use magic to cancel magic against the very being who’s main power is to cancel magic?

PLEASE show some Michael feats so the judges can actually see him DO something as talisman

shush

not from behind shields and we blitz you before you utter it IF IT’S CONSIDERED LEGAL BY ANYONE.

Talisman could instantly revive Loki to his full strength

yet one more feat lacking any solid proof. Waking someone up does NOT equal HEALING/GRANTING STRENGTH.

Thor needed a comic and a half to recover. Not as impressive for the Thunder-god.

loki was CASUALLY blasted from the sky. Do I need to show the attack that put thor out? Our thor 10x stronger AND is wearing psi-armor.

If you do not call turning a fish into a loch ness monster thousands times bigger than its original shape an amplification, what is?

well, increasing the power of super-guys would qualify. Having to split his power. And again—THOSE FEATS TOOK PLACE OVER AN EXTENDED TIME PERIOD. NOT 5 MINUTES.

For some reason you’re under the opinion that the force field/dome will cause Loki to cast spells inside of it. That’s not just an outlandish claim, but an outlandish claim you can’t prove.

so, you think you can just automatically cast all your spells through all the layers of forcefields you have? The dust too? You gotta be kidding.

And still, you can not believe that Loki can magnetize wood. Think it’s time for me to stop addressing these ludicrous claims.

ageed. The idea of magnetizing wood to make it a super-magnet that can attract mjolnir needed to be dropped a long time ago.

Prove that Cyttorak is beyond Skyfather.

lol I’m busted. Got no proof, but it’s pretty common knowledge if he’s not above he’s at least equal. Which is plenty impressive enough.

Prove that Thor can negate more than a single magic spell, prove that he can negate someone who’s magic is not being -FED TO THEM FROM AN EXETERNAL SOURCE- as Loki’s power is his own. Talisman II and Comet have magical pouches and draw their power from within. Taking away a small part of someone’s power does not mean that you can take away all of it.

we don’t have to take away all of it. just drop your shields and make it difficult to cast your spells. But really we don’t even need THAT since the TK FREEZE has been allowed. If not, mjolnir will cancel your shields and let us blitz you to ko. T

We also have force fields/shields created by a suped up Captain Comet. Even if this laughable plan of yours somehow plays itself out, it would still not deal with these.

no way they keep us out—especially with nate backing us.

You mean prove that Surfer was empowered when he was locked on Earth by Galactus’ barrier?Really Leo, really? You’re really trying to make up stuff now.

you mean depowered. Yes. Of course he was restricted, and it was as much PSYCHOLOGICAL as anything. There is ZERO proof he was less powerful. So how big was the amo—AND loki actually shared his DIRECT power.

You’re also ignoring the context around Surfer WINNING THE FIGHT

and thor held back and didn’t even WANT to fight.

He was pretending to measure his power, when he was actually transferring it. End of story.

wut? Nice sp[eculation, unfortunately it is UTTERLY unsupported . . . seriously? Man . . .

It might increase his strength, but the guy can’t enter it anyways:
1. http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...%20feats/WM.jpg

which is why we had nate push him there. 🙂 and you have no proof that thor gets ‘dumb’ in WM. None at all.

So when will the lies stop? We all know that Comet can move as fast as the Flash and fight speedsters,

we were wondering the same thing. Guess the same time as we see some proof from you?

but perceiving and casting a spell on radio-waves is not the same. Radio Waves move at light speed, end of discussion. There’s no kind of predicting where they go, Loki sees and interrupts. Just like he sees and interrupts a telepathic message, almost just as fast. You guys are being slowed down anyways.

we’re not slowed AT ALL. nate easily counters, we get first attack and freeze you or blitz you or . . . do something once we figure out what you’re botched opening allows. And you’re not still trying to attribute lightspeed reflexes and combat speed to loki are you . . .?

What were he to do if both Loki and Talisman II were to join in

nate would say thanks, drain you, and become uber-UBER!

You two are right about some of Loki’s spells.

✅

TK Armour
You guys sure do love that armor, well guess we should do something about that. Talisman makes it go poof, quickly and effectively…no more TK armour and that was from a very inexperienced Talisman who had no idea what she was doing. Could Talisman II do that? Absolutely and far more quickly and efficiently
1. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/AlphaFlight25-08.jpg
2. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/AlphaFlight25-09.jpg

Originally posted by leonidas
*scratches head* Did you READ the scan you posted? AFTER siphoning, he augmented. He wasn’t amped to perform the feat. We drain you and get stronger. Perfectly legal.

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah, that’s what I thought. in order for the second pouch to exist he needed to pluck shaman from the timestream and bring him to the future. Yeah, not legal I’m afraid—pesky time manip rule. . . Shaman can in NO WAY AT ALL, obtain a pouch the way you described.

Originally posted by leonidas
RE: DUST/FOG now judges, all jokes aside, time for you and them to realize how badly they f’d up. Note in their prep that they have used this dust/fog while SIMULTANEOUSLY entering the BF behind multiple layers of shielding (and even adamantium if you can actually entertain that notion for more than a nano-second!). Problem is, they can’t have it BOTH ways. If their shields are up, they can’t cast their spells.

Originally posted by leonidas
(Which raises a MASSIVE LOL at the idea that flash needs to build “momentum” to move quickly. In those scans he UNCONSCIOUSLY entered hyperspeed and instantly matched the speed of the ninjas). Our speed advantage is HUGE in this match, and something they simply cannot counter. Hell, loki couldn’t even raise COBRA’s speed past the point where thor was unable to follow him with his eyes!

Originally posted by leonidas
Let’s say they forego shields and use this dust (which it seems they do). Well, then they’re REALLY screwed. Again, our perceptual speed allows us to see them in slow-motion and gives us tons of time to react to it. at that point, nate just TK FREEZES the area BEFORE they can even cast the dust or we simply speedblitz them into submission. If the freeze is effective (recall it wasn’t mentioned in prep as we thought it would be illegal) thor keeps mjolnir and kills comet with 1000 hammer blows or an anti-force blast. Walter ko’s talisman before she can even cast the dust and Nate mentally drains loki. Frankly, our problem is we have too many viable options.

Originally posted by leonidas
Now, let’s suppose somehow they DO have time to cast it--there is no proof whatsoever that thor couldn’t simply counter-balance or override this ‘wind spirit’ and send it straight back at them! And nate’s can instantly filter the air if we NEEDED it to:

There is also nothing to show that walter’s whirlwind couldn’t simply disperse it. Or we could always just, you know, HOLD OUR BREATH for the pico-second it would take to just . . . RUN THROUGH IT! again too many choices.

And there’s no proof he could over-ride the wind spirit. Let’s also ignore Eternity gave Talisman the job as Spirit Binder yet you think your going to have Thor over-ride the Spirit Binder who controls Elder Gods, the same Elder Gods who empowered Wrecker to beat down Thor’s equal? Also once again your in WM mode meaning your not fighting smart and your hammer is gone. Except once again Walter or Nate wouldn’t know it’s coming, so why or why would you have defenses and Nate is going to countet magic? No. Also you don’t need to breath in the dust for it to work. Try again.

Originally posted by leonidas
lord . . . sinestro barely looked like he was MOVING, let alone traveling at superspeeds!

Originally posted by leonidas
you mean the one where he set up some sort of TK spidey-sense that tipped him off and let him dodge ONE punch?? You want THOSE scans to convince someone you can keep up with someone FASTER THAN FLASH!?

Yeah and? Also once again your ignoring Super Woman’s speed and reflexes. Ignoring things is your guys norm. He did that prior to the speed and power upgrade we gave him in prep.

Originally posted by leonidas
cool. He was too slow to REACT to quick! Imagine how he’ll fare against a group that makes quick SLOW in comparison . . .

Originally posted by leonidas
sigh. he has his own shield up, and he created armor. THAT’S IT. depending on what YOU do, he then FREEZES the area, counters your TK SLOWDOWN, OR simply attacks with tp, draining your mental energy and getting STRONGER for the effort. He also has flash-level speed.

Originally posted by leonidas
hm. Let’s see—we can destroy planets with out mind, reach out across the multiverse with tp, freeze huge areas (not ‘slow them down’). Our shields stop planet-busters easily and we can drain your mind. BUT . . . you’re stronger. Lol?

Did he destroy a planet no? Has comet’s mind reached out in the multiverse with tp, yes, Nate did not freeze a huge area (prove it). So has ours, and that was at base levels now that we augmented our team and defenses you have no chance of penetrating our defenses.

Originally posted by leonidas
The area was very large AND we have shaman who is FAR stronger than normal nate. He also froze a superhuman and awed cable. And hilarious you’re saying it wouldn’t work because YOU guys are too strong, yet you feel your own little SLOW DOWN will stop us who are FAR stronger AND faster! Oi . . .

Prove it, while Comet showed he did do it on a large scale and Shaman or Comet can say “shush” freezing you in your place further. Wow he stopped snow and a bird, that means he must be able to freeze someone on Superman’s level. Yeah very reasonable to make that claim 😬

Originally posted by leonidas

so I guess you really ARE foregoing shields. Sweet. Blitzed and ko’d before she can say anything at all. J

What? Why on earth does he lose his shields? Why on earth do you think Shaman, Loki or Comet cant cast spells behind barriers when they have done so in the past. Very unreasonable. The shields are still up and your frozen.

Originally posted by leonidas
The scans show how fast nate is capable of perceiving things ON HIS OWN. I didn’t say he was going to time manip. And first you want to pull a pouch from the past, now you want to use magic to somehow freeze us? Sketchy.

Originally posted by leonidas
I call BS. Just because they wear the same artifact does NOT mean they can use it equally effectively.

===Post #7===

Originally posted by Galan007
Flash needs momentum to gain serious speed? You can’t be serious.

Originally posted by Galan007
And do you honestly think Talisman could simply “take” a blitz from Walter (who would be in the psi-armor, which augments his strength to Hulk-level?) if so I would sure like to see your actual proof to back up such a wild claim.

Yes as both Talisman’s have taken class 100 blows without shields (posted already), and with the shields and the augments from Loki and the presence of magic most definitely she can. Also the fact there is still TK shields with the magical shields so yeah she is safe. ALSO you guys are neglecting the fact Thor, Loki, the magical pouches and the fake hammers are all making Talisman stronger feeding him energy making him much stronger. Shaman has even easily tagged Northstar who can go 99% the speed of light, and that is prior to becoming Talisman whos senses are enhanced as the Elder Gods feed him information and all the augmentations we did in prep.

In addition your team is undergoing a TK slowdown and “shush” freezes you in place. Nate's "freeze" isn't on the level of either of those tactis. Also the dust you wouldn’t know is coming so it wouldn’t even get to that spot.

Originally posted by Galan007
Remember, we’ve linked minds. Nate Knows what Thor knows, Thor knows what Nate knows, Walter knows what Thor and Nate know, etc. So to say Walter wouldn’t know what attack was coming is entirely unreasonable, and shows a blatant disregard for the abilities our team possesses.

No I know their mindlink but why would Thor or even Nate know about the attack? Indulge me? Telepathy? He isn’t probing all 3 of us who are excellent telepaths and have been augmented, seeing dust in the air? The whole planet is covered in dust it’s mars. No it’s very unreasonable to say you would know about the attack then not. The wind can cover thousands of miles in less then a minute, it wouldn't take any time to over-take your team before you even would know what is going on.

Originally posted by Galan007
You’ve still totally ignored my question. Again: please show me an instance where Comet has battled at Flash-level speeds. To make it even easier, show me an instance where Comet has entered hyperspeed to battle his opponents.

Posted, but I guess ultimately ignored. Base Comet has defeated speedsters and stated to go lightspeed, and let’s also ignore the fact we doubled his speed in prep as well. Yep, being unreasonable here

Originally posted by Galan007
Huh? If you share your own speed with someone else just so they’re on the same level of speed as you, it most certainly implies that the lender is faster.

Originally posted by Galan007
Because he lent her his own speed to place her on his speed level. Pretty basic concept imo.

Originally posted by Galan007
I used Wally as a starting point for speed – because Comet would have to be at least as fast as him to even give us a rough time.

Furthermore, Walter left Impulse, Max, Jesse, and Jay in the dust. They even stated he was “faster than Wally”… and “WAY faster than any of them”:
http://img690.imageshack.us/i/flash12.jpg/

So Walter was > Wally for more reasons than just his exotic abilities.

Originally posted by Galan007
Right. We have Flash level speed – so I’m curious when you think they’d have time to heal Loki mid-battle. Especially when even lower members of the Flash family can casually operate by the attosecond (one quintillionth of a second):
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/3238/flashreaction.jpg

Quite easily seeing as Comet and Shaman have superspeed, and that’s nice shall I bring up all the instances of Flash easily being tagged by much slower people? He doesn’t constantly operate at those levels.

Originally posted by leonidas
I’ll leave this Swiss cheese tactic to leo.

Originally posted by leonidas
so, where ARE all these scans of MICHAEL canceling magic? Imagine our shock at seeing . . . ELIZABETH scans! And you need to stop committing the dreaded ‘no limit fallacy’. It’s not like when . . . WHOEVER you drafted is near magic they auto absorb it! come on now. With out speedblitz and physical power, there is nothing stopping either thor or walter from doing THIS:
http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/4825/alphaflight3720.jpg
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/147/alphaflight3721.jpg
not a spirit, a still living man—using powerful magic. You wanna use liz’s feats, guess we can too.

Except for as stated “wears the The Cornet of Enchantment that allows (Talisman) to tap into the Earth’s available mystic energy, enabling her/him to cast a near infinite variety of spells for effects ranging from astral travel, prophetic visions, flight via levitation, energy blasts, magical shields, empatic bonding, matter manipulation….and sensing and neutralizing magic. While wearing the Cornet (Talisman) doesn’t need food or sleep.” All of which are stated to be granted from WEARING the Talisman. Can Michael do all the things Liz does? Absolutely as stated, and the fact Elder Gods are feeding them information on how to do things

Wow context again, maybe it will help to read the issue. Pestilence just possessed the body of Snowbird’s child. That child is linked to the Gods of the Arctic who created the Talisman and you have to have the blood of the Arctic Gods to do what he did and guess what…none of you do.

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah, clearly that ALWAYS happens . . . and like thor has NO history of absorbing or dealing with magic and uber opponents? Sigh . . .

Originally posted by leonidas

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/specosmicsteal17.jpg
yeah. When you’re talking about a flash, there is flash and everyone else.

Originally posted by leonidas
Well, cuz it’s illegal.

Originally posted by leonidas
he woke someone up. You think THAT scan proves he could empower an exhausted loki to do all these things you have him try and do?? again, that’s not even remotely the same thing.

Summary
-Talisman I and Talisman II share their memories and power thanks to the Talisman
-Pestilence scans were taken out of context and can not be replicated.
-The 2nd pouch is a viable tactic, and are misinterpreted by our opponents
-Our team has been drastically upgraded in our prep yet is constantly ignored
-Comet has beat speedsters and has shown to go lightspeed, and we doubled his speed
-You would not know about the dust, and you would not know to counter it. The wind spirit can cover thousands of miles in less then a minute and we don't start that far away from each other so you would be quickly overtaken.
-Thor, Loki, the magical pouches, the fake hammers all are making Talisman stronger
-Their TK shields can easily be removed by Talisman
-Flash does need momentum as STATED in the actual comics

quickie and likely my last post--

note judges--MORE ELIZABETH SCANS. and his defense? well somewhere, in some handbook or some narration, it SAYS he has all her powers. sweet. masterson had thor's hammer and IT had all it's powers too. guess i could use thor's feats for masterson. a rookie's gl ring is as powerful as hal's ring so i could use hal for a rookie. i really hope everyone can see how preposterous what he's doing really is. he wanted the pouch AND the talisman. couldn't do it with liz so drafted a featless michael and used liz's feats as support. that cannot be considered viable.

--show the creation of the second pouch then please. how was it done?

--comet STILL has no speed feats at all, and loki's amps are small. they Have ZERO counter to our speed, hnce we dictate how the match goes.

--love how he critcizes the part where nate says he has power to destroy a planet (backed up by others) but then wants everyone to accept comet's statement that he is fast as flash. lol? hypocritical much?

--we need 'blood of the arctic gods' to pull off the talisman? LOL nice speculation but a load of BS. i read that issue and NOWHERE does it say that you need to specifically have the 'arctic god blood' in you to pull off the talisman. thor blitzes and rips the thing off and the fight is over.

--again, no counter to our speed, not enough power to crack our armors or hurt a thor who feels no pain. nate can counter any psi attack, freeze them, mentally drain them from the outset, all depending on what they do

--and if it's so easy for magicians to cast from behind all-encompassing shields, SHOW A SCAN! they were surrounded by not only their OWN shields, but also all THREE shields! makes a LOT of sense to think all their spells would penetrate all THREE levels of shield. hell, why put them up!? if they can get through, the hell is stopping US?? not to mention their lol adamantium. fact is--they blundered and didn't consider this fact. their screwed from the outset.

===Post #8===
Dust
The magical dust is clearly still in play and with the wind spirit it can cover the entire area before the other team can really react. In addition they say they can counter the dust? How? How will they even know it’s their? Telepathy? Nope, your not getting through our defenses from 3 high level telepaths. Magic? Thor doesn’t have that fine tune magical senses, and the fact you guys made him WM limits him from even caring it’s there. Visually seeing it? Nope, first off the dust is barely noticeable, and the fact were on Mars there is dust constantly in the air making you see the specific magical dust and know what it is exactly is down right silly I’m sorry. In addition you don’t have to breath in the dust for it to work, so that means its nighty nite for your team.

Telepathy Absorption?
You say Nate is going to absorb our telepathy? How? I wouldn’t post those Dark X-Men scans as those “telepathy cult” members were fodder and most importantly you can’t use those scans as you have no proved he is the same Shaman Nate, which he clearly isn’t as even before the mind download he was doing things he never did. He even posted scans of him using time manipulation, that’s a no-no. In addition Comet is a far more experienced telepath then Nate. Let’s just say Nate is stronger then him in telepathy (for arguments sake), Comet has made it a tradition beating people who are stronger then him and easily. In addition we augmented Comet even further making your tactic even more unlikely and especially with feats you can’t use. In addition Comet is mind-linked with the rest of the team which are all “A-Class” level telepaths so you have 3 uber telepaths against one. I don’t like your chances to be honest

Comet has the mental force of a mind 100,000 years old. However, Starstriker has gained Comet's power and amplified his stealing Comet's giving him the mental force of 200,000 years old. Yet, Comet actually outsmarts him and out powers him. Ha!
1. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/DC_Presents_22_17.jpg
2. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/DC_Presents_22_18.jpg
3. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/DC_Presents_22_19.jpg

Comet takes on Power Ring of Earth 3 and even turns Sinestro's own construct against him, so your not over-powering Comet's will. GL's are known for their willpower
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2. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/SSOSV14-16.jpg
3. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/SecretSocietyOfSuper-Villains_05-17.jp

Here Comet reverses Grodd’s mental attacks and uses it against him like a judo move knocking him out
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2. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/SSOSV08-17.jpg
3. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/SSOSV12-05.jpg

Originally posted by leonidas
note judges--MORE ELIZABETH SCANS. and his defense? well somewhere, in some handbook or some narration, it SAYS he has all her powers. sweet. masterson had thor's hammer and IT had all it's powers too. guess i could use thor's feats for masterson. a rookie's gl ring is as powerful as hal's ring so i could use hal for a rookie. i really hope everyone can see how preposterous what he's doing really is. he wanted the pouch AND the talisman. couldn't do it with liz so drafted a featless michael and used liz's feats as support. that cannot be considered viable.

Even Shaman can cancel magic out, but does it at a much higher level thanks to the Talisman
1. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Crystar-11-22.jpg

As I mentioned earlier the Elder Gods feeding the user information, so all the Talisman can do the exact same thing.
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2. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/AlphaFlight73-05.jpg

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3. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/AlphaFlight72-09.jpg
4. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/AlphaFlight72-15.jpg
5. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/AlphaFlight72-20.jpg
6. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/AlphaFlight72-21.jpg

Originally posted by leonidas

--show the creation of the second pouch then please. how was it done?

Did, the duplicate pouch is the one their holding in the base. Does Shaman need to create the duplicate Alpha Flight to get the second pouch? No as shown, the pouch was created first and then with the duplicate pouch created the duplicate Shaman and others. As noted there were two pouches, there is no getting around that.

Originally posted by leonidas
--love how he critcizes the part where nate says he has power to destroy a planet (backed up by others) but then wants everyone to accept comet's statement that he is fast as flash. lol? hypocritical much?

Originally posted by leonidas
--we need 'blood of the arctic gods' to pull off the talisman? LOL nice speculation but a load of BS. i read that issue and NOWHERE does it say that you need to specifically have the 'arctic god blood' in you to pull off the talisman. thor blitzes and rips the thing off and the fight is over.

In addition how are you getting past our shields regardless or how is WM going to use his brain? Also your sending Thor to attack Talisman? Goodie. You just made him even stronger. Class 100 punch from a Tanaraq powered Piledriver..amping a weakened Talisman. In additon since with all the mystical weapons, characters and items in place Talisman is once again amped up and can just incinerate Thor
1. http://s158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/?action=view&current=OmegaF_4_0015.jpg
2. http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f130/A_Flight7/AlphaFlight75-28.jpg

Originally posted by leonidas
--again, no counter to our speed, not enough power to crack our armors or hurt a thor who feels no pain. nate can counter any psi attack, freeze them, mentally drain them from the outset, all depending on what they do

Also once again…”shush”, either Comet or Talisman can do that.
1. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/scan0014.jpg

Originally posted by leonidas
--and if it's so easy for magicians to cast from behind all-encompassing shields, SHOW A SCAN! they were surrounded by not only their OWN shields, but also all THREE shields! makes a LOT of sense to think all their spells would penetrate all THREE levels of shield. hell, why put them up!? if they can get through, the hell is stopping US?? not to mention their lol adamantium. fact is--they blundered and didn't consider this fact. their screwed from the outset.

Summary
-Dust is still in play and out opponents wouldn’t be able to see it or let alone react to it
-Nate cannot absorb our telepathy, and Dark X-Men scans are banned
-Talisman II can do what Talisman I can.
-The 2nd pouch can be done and quite easily
-Talisman II is continuously being amped due to the fact all the magical items and characters are feeding him information.
-Your team cannot repeat what Pestilence did
-“Shush” and your team is frozen

Team KM/KB Post #9

Adamantium
Allright, let’s leave this one in the crapper where it belongs. I was flipping through Avengers 400 when I found that scan, and actually believed that Loki created them. Looking at the second page of the comic, we see that the statues existed from the start on. Loki simply gave them lives. This was a stupid plan from the beginning anyways as it limits our teams abilities options. I still think it’s possible for Loki to create Adamantium, but not going to debate that further. One less spell for Loki to spend energy on.

Warrior Madness
Push Thor into it? How in the world would this work, and how in the world would you do this in just 5 minutes? Clearly Warrior Madness is impossible to do in a tourney match since it entirely relies on the participants to stay in character. If you’re going to open that can of worms, then you have got an entire mess on your hands. Such as why Thor has only attempted to negate Juggernaut’s magic once and so on. Still, Thor had said that he can’t enter it, which would easily override your speculation that Nate can somehow push Thor into it. Why would you even debate whether or not Thor uses his intellect, why would you put further emphasis on you guys not being in control? But yeah, battering Adam Warlock’s invulnerable cocoon with your hands, instead of using Mjolnir, is a definite proof of intelligence, right?

Nate’s drain
I have been respectful and courteous so far, but AHAHAAHAHAHAAHAH. Oh dear god, are you freaking kidding me? This has got to be the biggest joke in the history of time. The idea that Nate will be able to drain Loki, Comet and Talisman of their powers, when these guys have pouches, are BETTER ABSORBERS and Mjolnir at their disposal, is nothing short of insane. This ability was suddenly introduced in dark x-men and we have no idea proof that it would work on someone more powerful.

Telepathy
You’re forgetting how powerful a telepath Loki actually is. His telepathy transcends time as he can telepathically manipulate people in the future (1) as well as combat Odin on the astral plane (2). Yes, Loki was first able to defeat the resting Odin and almost defeated him again on a later occasion. We also have Strange struggling with this fellow (3). His telepathy also seems to work on Thor (4) and the Silver Surfer (5) and good old odin (6). So why don’t you just drop the ludicrous claims that Nate is somehow superior to Loki, or our entire team.

1. http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Loki%20feats/tele5.jpg
2. http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Loki%20feats/Tele6.jpg
3. http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Loki%20feats/tele2.jpg
4. http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Loki%20feats/tele1.jpg
5. http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Loki%20feats/Tele11.jpg
6. http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Scans/Thor12013.jpg

Mjolnir
Still no evidence that Thor would be able to magically resist what has happened several times over. We have Mjolnir of our own, and you guys will be without yours. In addition to limiting Thor’s ability to do anything beyond punching randomly, he will be grounded. Loki could also create tons of illusions to confuse them, they will have no way of telling the real Mjolnir apart from the other illusions. And yes, it sure would be crazy for Loki who can bring wood to life, give it healing powers, telepathic commands and energy powers, to magnetize wood. It’s not as if he made a regular human capable of adapting the properties of any element he comes in touch with or anything.

Power
It looks like you guys do not really understand what is going down here. For some reason, you are under the notion that Nate is a more powerful telepath than amplified Comet, Loki and Talisman II. Nothing short of lunacy. Further more, you think that your team is actually more powerful. Talisman II is undoubtedly the most powerful character here and the presence of Thor’s Mjolnir would feed him and make him even stronger. Loki can absorb power himself and Comet has been amplified to surpass Nate. There’s also the thing that Loki has Mjolnir himself, which he has proven many times over that he can wield.

1. http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Loki%20feats/Stormy1.jpg
2. http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Loki%20feats/Stormy2.jpg
3. http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Loki%20feats/Stormy3.jpg

I’ll also add some of these scans showing Loki’s ability to blast people and such. For some reason, you guys think that he cannot match your team’s power output, when he is actually superior. I showed you his fight with Surtur and how Loki wields Mjolnir. Now is his fight with Thor corps. There are some bits where he uses his fire-sword. The weapon which was not allowed as standard-prep, despite him always using it:

1. http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Thor_441-03.jpg
2. http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Thor_441-06.jpg
3. http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Thor_441-06.jpg
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6. http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Thor_441-10.jpg
7. http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Thor_441-11.jpg
8. http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Thor_441-12.jpg

Let’s not forget how easily Loki dealt with Bor, who nearly killed Odinforce Thor.

1. http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Scans/Thor12011.jpg
2. http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Scans/Thor12012.jpg

Speed
Loki can perceive things moving at light speed. This isn’t even up for debate. Being able to easily dodge Mjolnir, fly between dimensions, instantly span galaxies with his telepathy/magic and perceive radio-waves/telepathy. We won’t get into a debate of whether or not Loki can somehow fight them super fast in hand to hand combat, simply because that won’t be an issue. He’s intangible and invisible, so your guys won’t be able to touch him. Even if they detect him when Karnilla, Seth, Thor, Tarene and Mugin can’t, they won’t be able to touch him. Loki can still work his magic in this form, meaning that you guys have no defences.

Surtur
Yes, Loki was ”casually” blasted by Surtur’s twilight sword, after he had dodged several of Surtur’s attacks. But this argument is pointless, because Loki was up and fight right after. Thor needed two whole comics to recover from being punched twice. I posted the scans when Loki fights him in my earlier posts, so just stop lying. Claiming that Loki was out is nothing short of a lie, just like saying that he could fight no longer is. He had spent more than a couple of energy blasts and he continued fighting long after. Loki attacked more than both Thor and Odin.

Energy
Most of Loki’s spells require very little from him, as I have proven with my numerous scans. Since he won’t be creating an Adamantium dome, the only one of his spells that really spanned a great area, we should be in the clear. They never had any basis for claiming that he would get tired either. They had one scan that was taken completely out of context and lied about Loki getting tired.

Surfer
Clearly Loki added his power onto Surfer’s. This is stated over and over again in the dialogue and narration. If you actually read this comic, which you claim to have done, then you would know that Loki was simply testing Norrin. This is not even up for debate guys. CLEARLY, Loki added power to the Surfer here. Either that or manipulated him telepathically and made him, along with Thor believe that the Surfer had extra power……

1. http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Loki%20feats/Surf1.jpg
2. http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Loki%20feats/Surf2.jpg
3. http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Loki%20feats/Surf3.jpg

Leo more than likely won’t be on today, and I have to hit the road soon, so here is our final summary..

-The notion that a Flash-level character has to gain momentum to reach “serious speed” is quite laughable, and has been previously addressed -- he can kick into hyperspeed instantly… ‘nuff said.

-So far all I have seen Talisman “take” (from a physical standpoint) are random punches from a few bricks. I have yet to see evidence that Talisman can “take” a Flash-level blitz of Hulk-level punches. No amount of dodging can change that fact.

-I have yet to see ANY proof that Comet can combat opponents at the supposed light speeds that keep being mentioned. Once again: flying through space at light speed isn’t remotely close to battling an opponent at light speed, on a planet. In fact, NONE of the members on their team have shown the ability to move at Flash-level speeds.

-Talisman possibly creating multiple pouches via temporal means speaks for itself. As does this conjuring spells from behind a shield (something else they’ve not shown proof of.)

-I have yet to see proof that Loki can conjure as many simultaneous spells as they have him doing, AND maintain them during our onslaught. Nothing, nada, zip, zilch.

-I have seen no proof that Comet is a superior telepath to Shaman Nate. Our opponents seem to be relying on this supposed ‘amp’ to make him more powerful than Nate…. Yet I’ve seen no solid basis behind this. They can say he would be more powerful all they want, but statements don’t suffice as evidence, I’m afraid.

-As far as Thor willingly allowing WM, he has stated in the past that he has purposefully restrained himself from entering such a mindset:
http://img51.imageshack.us/i/thorwm1.jpg/

And because I’m sure they’ll cry “he said he could enter berserker rage at will, not WM!!” You may note that entering berserker rage is the immediate precursor to entering WM – hell, it’s essentially the same thing:
http://img694.imageshack.us/i/thorhulk8.jpg/

Additionally, entering berserker rage/WM increases Thor’s might by tenfold
http://img231.imageshack.us/i/thorwm2.jpg/:

That said, Nate pushing Thor into the above mindset and keeping him ‘on track’ with the battle shouldn’t even be in question considering Nate’s telepathic prowess. And as for Thor throwing mjolnir away because he did in one 40+ year old showing, and hasn’t done so since – that notion was already handled earlier in the match.

-The fake Mjolnir our opponents are also relying on is relatively powerless, and had no ‘exotic’ powers of its own. The only feats Thorpool had with it were physically striking Loki (causing no damage at all), and physically plowing into Thor (causing no damage at all) in fact, Thor then went on to own Thorpool with ease. So why they think it’d amp to their team to any kind of ‘uberness’ is beyond me. And to add to that, there is still NO proof that Loki can make a fake hammer within the specified prep period anyway. So that tactic is kaput on every angle.

-In short:

We have the confirmed power edge
We have the confirmed speed edge
We have the confirmed telepathic edge
We have the confirmed ability to negate/absorb/redirect anything they can conjure

When I say “confirmed”, I mean that we have posted scans to back all of our claims – they have not.

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Regardless, this has been a fun match that both myself and leo have thoroughly enjoyed. Thanks fellas! 👆 🙂

Team KB/KM Post #10

Comet’s speed
The guy has fought and defeated Johnny Quick with little trouble. Naturally, him travelling and perceiving things are light speed would not always be enough, but Comet has proven himself. Let’s not forget that his speed has been doubled by logic, so this should not be an issue. It’s not like Comet will need to hit any of his opponents with his fists. Telepathy and Telekinesis will be do just fine.

Defense
They have completely ignored our force fields throughout the entire battle. We have a double magic force field added on by Captain Comet’s telekinetic force field. This is not entirely magic, nor is it entirely telekinetic. It has the best of both worlds baby, a nice mix of the two. Further more there is the issue of illusions outside the battlefield, the enormous wooden giant who has already beaten the shit out of Thor, as well as Loki being invisible/intangible.

Mjolnir
The fake Mjolnir that we speak of, has decent enough lightning control to seriously harm Hela (Trans level), the ability to greatly boost someone’s physical abilities and returns when thrown. Finally, more impressive than anything in existence, the replica can actually kill Wolverine (1). Yes, it has the ability to do that which not even the TOAA can accomplish. Seriously though, Storm thought she was just taking out some minor demon, and she killed him. Joking aside, Wolverine IS a pain to kill.

1. http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Loki%20feats/Storm4.jpg

Warrior Madness
Sure, you can rag on the event that happened 30 years ago, but it doesn’t change that it’s the only time Thor has actually entered Warrior Madness. The only thing you guys are doing, is harming yourself with his argument. Thor can’t enter his acclaimed berserker rage, and that statement is the only one you have which proves that he becomes 10 times stronger. You can’t acknowledge that bit and then claim he will still be able to enter this state.

Telepathy
I already dealt with this, but yeah. The idea that Nate can overpower three telepaths, two of which are arguably more powerful than him at their base level. Let’s not forget that Comet has been powered up. All three which can absorb any kind of magic or energy attack through their powers/tools. So yeah, it’s not like these guys will have any problems here. In fact, they will telepathically murder their opponents. Unless they’re somehow better telepaths than Odin K

Absorbing/Negation
You guys have no proven that you can absorb/negate anything we have. You lose Mjolnir and even if you had it, the pouch can absorb anything, Loki can absorb anything and Talisman II can absorb anything. You will not be able to override our absorption abilities, in fact, you are in grave danger yourselves as a matter of fact.

Summary
- We are stronger telepaths
- They will lose Mjolnir
- We can resist any kind of attack
- They can not see/hit us
- We can neutralize their speed/defend against it
- We are more powerful, and Talisman II’s power will continue to grow

This fight has been decent. You guys are great opponents, but due to real life stress this fight has not been as much fun as I thought it would be. Still, there is nothing like debating against capable people and aside from some weak stuff, this has been a great job. May the best comic-book nerd win.

See you later dudes, S you in your As, don’t wear a C and J all over your Bs.

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Honest mistake as you didn't number your posts.

@#!$%

Originally posted by leonidas
@#!$%

We still love ya

😮 sorry. wasn't trying to be sneaky. you don't waste 40mins tryng to be sneaky. i'm just dumb. 🙁

No I know, I knew it was an honest mistake.

thanks. btw, your sig freaked me out the whole match. 😐

Mission accomplished, KM.

He knew what he was doing.

Ain't I a stinker?