Originally posted by Merlyn
And exactly what feats does Onimar have to his name that lead you to believe his TP is on par with an amped up Xavier.... Let alone Cassandra?
Seems ridiculous to assume that say Eternity would be less of a telepath than Emma Frost, because he has no telepathic feats. On the flip side, I can see your logic of course. It would be almost equally ridiculous to assume that he is a powerful telepath. But hey, he's the only one I've seen who's been capable of overwhelming Captain Comet like that, who is a powerful telepath in his own right.
Originally posted by Kris BlazeHmm, I still don't see the logic in assuming that if a character possesses enough raw power, then they should automatically be a high-order telepath. If that were the case characters like the Hulk, Juggernaut, Doomsday, etc would be uber wielders of teh TP powa... But they ain't.
Seems ridiculous to assume that say Eternity would be less of a telepath than Emma Frost, because he has no telepathic feats. On the flip side, I can see your logic of course. It would be almost equally ridiculous to assume that he is a powerful telepath.But hey, he's the only one I've seen who's been capable of overwhelming Captain Comet like that, who is a powerful telepath in his own right.
I know Onimar hit Comet pretty hard with his TP, but Comet was totally unprepared for the attack yet he still managed to expel Onimar from his mind. I believe Comet also went on to say that he would be ready for subsequent mental attacks (implying that Onimar would not be able to mess with his mind again.)
Regardless though I am not downplaying Comet's mental abilities. I just don't think he has any feats (inc. the Onimar incident) that lead me to believe he would be able to combat Cassie, from a TP standpoint.
Originally posted by Merlyn
Hmm, I still don't see the logic in assuming that if a character possesses enough raw power, then they should automatically be a high-order telepath. If that were the case characters like the Hulk, Juggernaut, Doomsday, etc would be uber wielders of teh TP powa... But they ain't.I know Onimar hit Comet pretty hard with his TP, but Comet was totally unprepared for the attack yet he still managed to expel Onimar from his mind. I believe Comet also went on to say that he would be ready for subsequent mental attacks (implying that Onimar would not be able to mess with his mind again.)
Regardless though I am not downplaying Comet's mental abilities. I just don't think he has any feats (inc. the Onimar incident) that lead me to believe he would be able to combat Cassie, from a TP standpoint.
Hulk, Doomsday and Juggernaut are wrong examples. Better examples would be Odin, the In-Betweener and so on. Onimar Synn is faaaaar more powerful than Cassandra Nova or Comet or any of the herald guys. When an incredibly powerful character has telepathy, it's reasonable to assume that he is a powerful telepath as well. It'd be strange for his energy blasts to be really advanced, but his telepathic abilities basic. When we going high up, the telepathic abilities seem to be on line with the rest of their abilities.
Originally posted by Merlyn
I see the concept behind your argument, but there is a good deal of assumption behind it. Truth is, Onimar really has no uber TP feats, so Comet casting him out doesn't mean a whole lot to me. Cassandra, on the other hand, does have extremely uber TP feats.
Captain Comet is a powerful telepath, he's got some decent feats and that whole deal. Onimar Synn was clearly much too powerful for him to deal with. Even though Synn played in a different league than Comet and would by all accounts destroy him in a telepathic battle, Comet was still able to force him out. It illustrates that Comet does not necessarily have to be able to match their telepathy in order to defend against them. It is also a lot easier to set up telepathic defenses, my best example here is Tessa/Sage. Even though she had very limited telepathic abilities, she could lock down her mind in full-defense mode. A telepathic savant like Comet should be able to do this.
I'm not as familiar with Cassandra Nova but as there are questions as to the feats of Comet here are a few.
TP scanned a dimensional plane.
TP defeated the Secret Society of Super Villains (that included Grodd, Felix Faust, Wizard as I recall)
He managed to mentally control and over load the energy battery of the Earth three power Ring ( i.e Green Lantern)
Mentally sealed a temporal gateway, TK lifted a depowered space ship through it while doing so.
Almost eery instance of him using his TP came with a thought balloon that he was reluctant to do so due to morals.
The one and only instance of a poor TP showing I can recall was vs a Superman adversary called Overmind. Overmind had a helmet that granted him vast mental powers to fight Superman. When he found out about Captain Comet he thought it was a chance to make those powers his won. he used his helmet to take Comet's powers from him. DC comics presents IIRC somewhere in the mid 100's