LukeSkywalker (New Jedi Order) V DarthNihilus(under a day after eating the Mariluka)

Luke: Black Hole Manipulation is on par with the greatest feats. It doesn't undoubtedly surpass them. But its on par.

Originally posted by truejedi
Luke: Black Hole Manipulation is on par with the greatest feats. It doesn't undoubtedly surpass them. But its on par.

It should be the greatest display of TK ever.

Kyp did so more easily than Luke did.

that's what i'm saying. Black hole mass is as large as a system.

Luke also once held himself to a deck of a ship in a way that was quoted as "Even the giant black hole at the center of the galaxy couldn't have moved him." That is as or more impressive than any force storm, or Planet drain.

That was after NJO.

On the black holes, we have to remember that these were actually dovin basals. They merely controlled gravity in a manner that mimicked black holes. An entire solar system worth of matter did not actually just appear whenever a dovin basal was used.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
That was after NJO.

On the black holes, we have to remember that these were actually dovin basals. They merely controlled gravity in a manner that mimicked black holes. An entire solar system worth of matter did not actually just appear whenever a dovin basal was used.

How do you control gravity in a matter to mimic a black hole? If it mimics a black hole and therefore sucks in photons as well, then ergo is has ridiculous mass.

I don't know how it's supposedly done, but solar systems worth of matter cannot just appear and disappear at dozens of points around a ship simultaneously.

DG: the proton torpedoes didn't explode, they disappeared. Where did they go? Into the mass. I would say it is less likely that the mass WASN'T there, than that it was, since it behaved in such a way as though the mass was there. Otherwise we are talking tractor beam inside a big black spot, and that is incredibly pointless.

The mass is what attracted the torpedoes. Without the mass, you don't have a shield.

Originally posted by Autokrat
How do you control gravity in a matter to mimic a black hole? If it mimics a black hole and therefore sucks in photons as well, then ergo is has ridiculous mass.

Where would that mass come from? Why didn't it tear the Vong ship apart instantly?

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Where would that mass come from? Why didn't it tear the Vong ship apart instantly?

why didn't it tear apart any solar system it was in, instantly?

What?

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Touche. Didn't he try it anyway?

I don't think we are ever told.

its a "micro-blackhole" (wookie... and yes, i despise myself for using it) Why didn't it destroy everything it was around? That is what an actual black hole would do. But its star wars. The Vong were able to focus it apparently.

Star wars has starship reactors that generate power in the yottawat ranges fairly easily.

The laws of physics must work differently.

Hell, they can violate the second law of thermodynamics even.

Darth_Glentract
Kyp did so more easily than Luke did.

Really?

If that's the case, it kind of disproves the notion that that particular feat is based on strength. Perhaps technique? Or frame of mind?

Something's up if Kyp Durron, who while prodigious is not confirmed to be quite on Skywalker's level in terms of Force attunement, is able to perform a technique with greater ease than a superior Force user.

crazy quotes about Durron right when Luke first discovered him though. Getting thrown across the room when Leia (who had Luke's force potential, remember) merely "pushed back?"

Jedi Academy trilogy is the source, i don't have it myself.

No offense but this is getting old. I think everyone here knows that by the time of NJO, practically no one can beat Luke. Unless its chuck norris... but thats another story

Originally posted by Gideon
Really?

If that's the case, it kind of disproves the notion that that particular feat is based on strength. Perhaps technique? Or frame of mind?

Something's up if Kyp Durron, who while prodigious is not confirmed to be quite on Skywalker's level in terms of Force attunement, is able to perform a technique with greater ease than a superior Force user.

After Kyp does the technique he is able to climb out of his X-wing and walk away. Luke was unable to lift himself off the shuttle bench. Kyp noted he had greater raw power to perform it. Also not what truejedi said.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Kyp noted he had greater raw power to perform it. Also not what truejedi said.

Pretty sure that Kyp saying that it took him more power to do it than it took Luke, as in it took him more effort. I'm pretty sure that mental note was deference to Luke.

Luke being tired after doing something for the first time isn't new either. It almost killed him the first time he cloaked the falcon. Later he does it to an entire planet with no visible strain.