What would the Founding Fathers think of America today?

Started by inimalist6 pages
Originally posted by Mindset
Canada; the 51st state. 🙂

If by "State" you mean place with universal health coverage, multiculturalism, lax marijuana laws, a functional multi-party parlimentary democracy and a secure federal banking system, then sure.

Originally posted by inimalist
If by "State" you mean place with universal health coverage, multiculturalism, lax marijuana laws, a functional multi-party parlimentary democracy and a secure federal banking system, then sure.

I want to move to Canada now.

I mean I just did my tax returns for 2009 and discovered that I owe the IRS $507.

Despite being a dirt poor college student with no job and a 20k loan for school. Oh my healthcare runs out in about a year... since college students don't matter.

I suggest it, our West coast is beautiful

Originally posted by inimalist
I suggest it, our West coast is beautiful

Does college cost less? Because I had to pay almost 20k.

its variable, but mine has been about that, but in Canadian dollars, and I've spent 5 years there.

Our universities are known to be better, on average, just because our academic talent is generally more distributed than in America, with the most influential being at the top schools.

Originally posted by inimalist
its variable, but mine has been about that, but in Canadian dollars, and I've spent 5 years there.

Our universities are known to be better, on average, just because our academic talent is generally more distributed than in America, with the most influential being at the top schools.

See, the 20k is for two quarters (five months or so), not even a full year and I'm not even at bigger school.

A full year at one of the better universities would cost about 50k all together, maybe more.

Originally posted by Autokrat
See, the 20k is for two quarters (five months), not even a full year and I'm not even had a big school.

A full year at one of the better universities would cost about 50k all together.

oh wow...

thats rough man. The most it gets to here is maybe 15-20k a year with residence, and that would depend more on location, though I could see U of Toronro being expensive (not close to 50k expensive)

what can I say, Canada rocks

Originally posted by inimalist
oh wow...

thats rough man. The most it gets to here is maybe 15-20k a year with residence, and that would depend more on location, though I could see U of Toronro being expensive (not close to 50k expensive)

what can I say, Canada rocks

I don't get financial aid either because my parents make too much money, even though they don't have the money to pay for school because my mom is a heart transplant patient/Type I diabetes and co-pays build up really fast when a single day at a hospital costs five grand.

Instead, I have to take out a student loan. Its got low interest rates, but one way or another, by the time I get my BA, I'll be thousands of dollars in debt.

Originally posted by inimalist
If by "State" you mean place with universal health coverage, multiculturalism, lax marijuana laws, a functional multi-party parlimentary democracy and a secure federal banking system, then sure.

It's nice, but if i'm looking for countries with better governments than the US, there are so many options it's staggering. Though I guess Canada does have the whole english-speaking part, that would help.

I'm pretty sure Pierce Butler, Eldridge Gerry, and John Adams would think America was doing great apart from the fact that you couldn't punish people who criticize the government by exile or execution and Louisiana was no longer punishing escaped slaves by breaking them on the wheel.

In some ways (eg, militarily, technologically) they'd be amazed.

In other ways (eg, our pop culture, the mass marketing of mediocrity) they'd be aghast (maybe not Ben Franklin: I could see him replacing Simon on American Idol).

Still in other ways (eg, half-black man as Prez) they'd need to discuss it over a beer.

Originally posted by inimalist
If by "State" you mean place with universal health coverage, multiculturalism, lax marijuana laws, a functional multi-party parlimentary democracy and a secure federal banking system, then sure.

**** you, man. weep

Originally posted by Autokrat
See, the 20k is for two quarters (five months or so), not even a full year and I'm not even at bigger school.

A full year at one of the better universities would cost about 50k all together, maybe more.

I recommend scholarships. Apply for as many of them as possible. They don't all have to be academic, either.

Sometimes, all it takes is writing a good essay. You obviously have good writing skills, so you should be able to beat out some people on some of those.

Another plus is if you help in the community A LOT. I'm dead serious.

You can get all of your college paid for if you are ultra-vigilante in applying for scholarships. it's really like $500 here, $1000 there, $250 here, etc. They add up.

Case in point: I haven't had to pay one drop of tuition for all of my college years.

Show them our weapons

Originally posted by King Kandy
It's nice, but if i'm looking for countries with better governments than the US, there are so many options it's staggering. Though I guess Canada does have the whole english-speaking part, that would help.

god, not to mention a G8 economy, vast untouched wilderness composed of nearly every geographical climate on the planet and tolorance of minorities

Scandanavia aint got shit

Originally posted by inimalist
nearly every geographical climate on the planet

But none of the warm ones . . .

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
But none of the warm ones . . .
Don't be stupid. It's a good in to get chicks to cuddle.

Hard to say. They did found our country based on a small government but the world is vastly different now. Corporations basically didn't exist in their time. I thing they would be disappointed in the subjugation of national autonomy to international corporate power.

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
Hard to say. They did found our country based on a small government but the world is vastly different now. Corporations basically didn't exist in their time. I thing they would be disappointed in the subjugation of national autonomy to international corporate power.
I think the three founders I named would be happy about the way things were going. John Adams was more or less in favor of European style monarchies, social stratification, and oppression. Just as long as he was in charge of it.

Raise your hand if you think the founding fathers would despise the two-party system.