^ The trademark 'lightning' around Vegetto when he first went SSJ is usually indicative of the second level, no?
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/2972/veg1.jpg
Either way: Goku ftw.
Originally posted by Galan007
^ The trademark 'lightning' around Vegetto when he first went SSJ is usually indicative of the second level, no?
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/2972/veg1.jpgEither way: Goku ftw.
Most likely just a show of his extreme power; that lightning aura does not appear again iirc, as opposed to the SS2 transformation where the lightning aura is almost always present.
Besides, he is credited as being in the first level for the fight, no?
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Most likely just a show of his extreme power; that lightning aura does not appear again iirc, as opposed to the SS2 transformation where the lightning aura is almost always present.Besides, he is credited as being in the first level for the fight, no?
Originally posted by yungz22A few times in the Buu arc I noticed that the lightning from a SSJ2 seemed to go away when the given Saiyan wasn't actively powering up. Personally I believe this was also the case with Vegetto. Why? Because I never saw any Saiyan transformations emit SSJ2-esque lightning to display their raw power if it wasn't either the 2nd or 3rd level. Especially not in the transformation to a normal SSJ... I see both sides of the argument though.
it was just super saiyan because if it was ssj2 you would have seen the electrical aura at all times but instead you only see it once with him
More on point... SSJ2 or not, Vegetto still owned Buu fused with Gohan as though he were absolutely nothing. I don't see SSJ4 Goku easily beating THAT kind of power... If he could beat him at all.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix1.) Could very well be. OR it could be more along the lines of what Merlyn said. Toss a coin, I guess.
Most likely just a show of his extreme power; that lightning aura does not appear again iirc, as opposed to the SS2 transformation where the lightning aura is almost always present.Besides, he is credited as being in the first level for the fight, no?
2.) I don't believe it was ever specifically stated what level Vegetto was utilizing. But its a whole lot easier to believe that Buu could be handled like that by fused SSJ2's, as opposed to fused first level SSJ's. Especially when that version of Buu had the power of Mystic Gohan stacked onto his already uber power. Just my opinion.
Originally posted by Merlyniirc, in the GT anime Goku stated that Rildo in his base form was even stronger than Majin Buu -- and Rildo would have been less than nothing to Goku as a SSJ4.
More on point... SSJ2 or not, Vegetto still owned Buu fused with Gohan as though he were absolutely nothing. I don't see SSJ4 Goku easily beating THAT kind of power... If he could beat him at all.
I know it's a rough comparison, but it's a comparison none the less.
Originally posted by Merlyn
A few times in the Buu arc I noticed that the lightning from a SSJ2 seemed to go away when the given Saiyan wasn't actively powering up. Personally I believe this was also the case with Vegetto. Why? Because I never saw any Saiyan transformations emit SSJ2-esque lightning to display their raw power if it wasn't either the 2nd or 3rd level. Especially not in the transformation to a normal SSJ... I see both sides of the argument though.More on point... SSJ2 or not, Vegetto still owned Buu fused with Gohan as though he were absolutely nothing. I don't see SSJ4 Goku easily beating THAT kind of power... If he could beat him at all.
ascended super saiyan transformation gives off lightning when powering up
Originally posted by BloodRainNo joke. Especially when you consider the fact that Goku in his regular Saiyan form was roughly equal to base form Rildo. Thus regular GT Goku was more than likely > Buu... But 15 years prior, even SSJ3 Goku was hard-pressed just to try and match Buu.
Buu < Rildo < meta rildo < hyper meta rildo =/< Goku SSJGoku's gotten alot stronger in those 15 years.
That's a HUGE jump in power right thur.
Originally posted by Galan007Odd. I thought Goku's power decreased upon being transformed into a child. Isn't that why he had problems maintaining the SSJ3 transformation in GT? Isn't that why his body grew back to adulthood upon transforming into a SSJ4, in order to compensate for the power increase?
iirc, in the GT anime Goku stated that Rildo in his base form was even stronger than Majin Buu -- and Rildo would have been less than nothing to Goku as a SSJ4.I know it's a rough comparison, but it's a comparison none the less.
If so, it seems crazy that Goku could handle Rildo (who was apparently more powerful than Buu) as easily as he did, with a diminished power level.
Originally posted by BloodRainThat's what I mean... If Goku was weaker in his 'chibi' form, yet still had enough power to equal a being with Buu-like power (Rildo) as a normal form Saiyan, then the power a SSJ4 has would just be unreal.... So unreal that its hard to imagine.
I think it was just his energy that was lowered, and when he became SSJ4 his power was so strong that it bypassed the power of the black star dragon and made him go back to an adult.
Originally posted by yungz22
ascended super saiyan transformation gives off lightning when powering up
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
A lot of characters (even Piccolo) occasionally give off lightening when powering up, but as far as ascended super saiyan goes, Trunks was the only one to have blue lightening around him when powering up, though his mass powerup made him too slow to be exactly on SSJ2 level anyway.
Originally posted by BloodRainThat is an excellent point that I have never given much thought to before. The power SSJ4 Goku possessed was so extreme that it actually rendered the Black Star Dragon's 'spell' null-in-void. Amazing, really. 👆
and when he became SSJ4 his power was so strong that it bypassed the power of the black star dragon and made him go back to an adult.
