Zeus vs SBP

Started by Mindset9 pages

Quan, what is half of nothing?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
One of the things you'd know if you had any sort of education is that generally common sense and actual fact are two different things. Common sense and math don't always mesh.
Well if you had any common sense you would not try to talk common sense or math with Quan 😆

Originally posted by Mindset
Quan, what is half of nothing?
Nothing. No win comics we have seen varying levels of infinity and every weirdo explanation out there. Half of infinity obviously didn't weigh the ttoal amount of infinity or else he wouldn't have needed help.
Originally posted by DarkOdin
Well if you had any common sense you would not try to talk common sense or math with Quan 😆
You're one to talk.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Nothing. No win comics we have seen varying levels of infinity and every weirdo explanation out there. Half of infinity obviously didn't weigh the ttoal amount of infinity or else he wouldn't have needed help.
Levels of infinity in magnitudes of power, not weight.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What's wrong with my logic?

The fact that you are trying to apply logic to infinity but let me show you your big problem.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I used common sense. half of something isn't the same as all of something . If it weighed the same Superman wouldn't need help.

Infinity isn't something. Heck it isn't everything. Infinty non finite, hence the name, which means no end. Here is your big problem you treat infinity like a number, but its not its a concept. Imagine dividing justice in half what do you have left... Well you would still have Justice left, infinity works in a similar way.
Here is a site whith some rules about infinity.
Click.

what about superman holding a black hole in his hand, that in its self is beats most other characters like thor, Hulk etc.

Originally posted by Mindset
Levels of infinity in magnitudes of power, not weight.
Same thing. Again my logic is correct because half of infinity shouldn't weigh the same as all of infinity.
Originally posted by ares834
The fact that you are trying to apply logic to infinity but let me show you your big problem.

Infinity isn't something. Heck it isn't everything. Infinty non finite, hence the name, which means no end. Here is your big problem you treat infinity like a number, but its not its a concept. Imagine dividing justice in half what do you have left... Well you would still have Justice left, infinity works in a similar way.
Here is a site whith some rules about infinity.
Click.

I am applying logic to the feat and have explained myself more than once.

Click the link and read it.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Question for people... if divine power = to magic????

The best question anyone has asked ... And I don't think anyone at Marvel can answer this. Its a very metaphysical question. Where do the Gods get their powers. Its be suggested they Origin from Platos Demiurge, which suggests they are meta physical in nature.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Same thing. Again my logic is correct because half of infinity shouldn't weigh the same as all of infinity. I am applying logic to the feat and have explained myself more than once.

Math would like a word with you.

This may explain exactly why your approach to infinity is wrong:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilbert%27s_paradox_of_the_Grand_Hotel

You're treating infinity like a finite number that can be divided by two to get a smaller finite number. That isn't the case.

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
The best question anyone has asked ... And I don't think anyone at Marvel can answer this. Its a very metaphysical question. Where do the Gods get their powers. Its be suggested they Origin from Platos Demiurge, which suggests they are meta physical in nature.

In DC at least the Gods were created by the Godwave which is shown to be divine and IIRC an aspect of the Source. Yet Phantom Stranger and Spectre are both called magical beings despite being firmly (at least at the moment, it wasn't always the case for the Phantom Stranger) entrenched in the divine.

Originally posted by ares834
And half of infinity is still infinity.

But Infinity is hard to quantify ... For example A circle is infinitely long, in a way.

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
But Infinity is hard to quantify ... For example A circle is infinitely long, in a way.

If you don't define a point of reference yes, but then so is any continuous shape and/or function.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
You just really don't understand the concept of infinity do you?

And neither DO u ... Nobody does ... In fact Leibniz went partially INSANE trying to understand it, and I hazard a guess that he is A LOT cleverer than you 😉

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
And neither DO u ... Nobody does ... In fact Leibniz went partially INSANE trying to understand it, and I hazard a guess that he is A LOT cleverer than you 😉
He's not more clever than me, though.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
If you don't define a point of reference yes, but then so is any continuous shape and/or function.

Exactly ... How do we know the book had such predicates as a "Defined point of reference" ... Grant Morison is likely to have made it conform with Godel Geometry - As he's made reference to reading Godel in the past. The book probably existed in numerous dimensions simultaneously, so its mass is completely unquantifiable.

Originally posted by Mindset
He's not more clever than me, though.

He invented calculus with Newton !!!!!!!

Suggesting that you understand the concept of Infinity is like suggesting you understand the concept of a square-triangle .... U can claim u do, but u most probably don't. Thanks to Kantian transcendental Idealism, we know that all concepts are contrived using three dimensional space and time. You would have to have evolved cognitive processes beyond this restriction ... I imagine, if you have done, u won't be wasting your time debating over whether Zeus can beat Prime?

Originally posted by Mindset
Logic and infinity do not go well together.

I never have paid much attention to Liebniz beyond his philosophy, I always thought his theory on monads was interesting but a bit abstruse. I don't really understand it that well.

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
Suggesting that you understand the concept of Infinity is like suggesting you understand the concept of a square-triangle .... U can claim u do, but u most probably don't. Thanks to Kantian transcendental Idealism, we know that all concepts are contrived using three dimensional space and time. You would have to have evolved cognitive processes beyond this restriction ... I imagine, if you have done, u won't be wasting your time debating over whether Zeus can beat Prime?

No you can't understand infinity. But you can understand it better than Quan does. 😛