Originally posted by lilshogun
SHUMA destroys everyone here. When Strange gained Shuma's power he could not travel back to earth & his home universe cause JUST HIS PRESENCE ALONE would destroyed Galaxies! That's without even trying.
This is true but keep in mind Doc had absorbed power from that plane, Shuma, and a being who labeled himself as infinite to add to his own.
Originally posted by Sundipped
This is true but keep in mind Doc had absorbed power from that plane, Shuma, and a being who labeled himself as infinite to add to his own.
But it was directly stated by Kaluu that it was the mystic energies absorbed from Shuma-Gorath that would destroy galaxies.
Originally posted by cpd12589
Definitely not.... Dormammu is most definitely more powerful than Shuma-Gorath outside of the Chaos Dimension. Shuma-Gorath is still above everyone else on the list outside the Chaos Dimension, just not Dormammu.Doctor Strange himself has even said that Dormammu is his "most terrible foe" and that "at full power no one could stand against". Doctor Strange ACTUALLY said those things unlike when Shuma-Gorath made that illusion of Dormammu in front of Doctor Strange to boast and frighten him. Once again just more hyperbole instead of actual feats....
Haha, you're going to bash me about using hyperbole when you use what Strange said as proof? Mr. Fantastic once stated that Spider-man was his equal intellectually. Is that a fact now? 馃槅
And besides, Strange made it pretty clear all throughout his first encounter with Shuma that he was facing a superior foe than Dormammu. And if you want to use Strange's words as the be all end all here, he states that he has never felt such power when Shuma manifested itself as the Ancient One. The Ancient One's willingness to kill himself in order to save the earth from Shuma is proof enough that Shuma is superior to Dormammu. When Dormammu can stalemate the combined Vishanti all on his own without some sort of plot device (like a cosmic axis shift) to back him up, you let me know.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
It was stated by Kaluu (The Ancient One's rival and Doctor Strange's one-time mentor) that even in one of the lesser dimensions controlled by Shuma, beings like Mephisto and Dormammu would "be as mice in a great temple"馃槈.
Hype/Hyperbole proving nothing. Strange never owned Dormammu, Satannish, or Mephisto in their own realms the way he owned Gorath.
If you want to go by hype/hyperbole I got a scan of Strange saying, no one, not even Dormammu at the height of his power ever made Strange feel so helpless (this was in reference to Satannish and took place well after he encountered and defeated Gorath).
He only beat Shuma after absorbing the power of his Lieutenant who was insanely strong.
EDIT: Turns out I was wrong, it said Mephisto and Satannish, not Dormammu. Anyway here is the scan:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Shuma-Gorath/shumagorathpower1.jpg
Also another point is that Sise-Neg said he would have had trouble destroying Shuma so he banished him instead, if you know how powerful Sise-Neg is that is really impressive.
Originally posted by zopzop
Hype/Hyperbole proving nothing. Strange never owned Dormammu, Satannish, or Mephisto in their own realms the way he owned Gorath.If you want to go by hype/hyperbole I got a scan of Strange saying, no one, not even Dormammu at the height of his power ever made Strange feel so helpless (this was in reference to Satannish and took place well after he encountered and defeated Gorath).
Yeah that's exactly how I feel about it. Doctor Strange temporarily destroyed Shuma-Gorath at Stonehenge and embarrassed him in the Chaos Dimension. Even with all that I will still say in the Chaos Dimension Shuma-Gorath should be at the top of the list.
But outside of the Chaos Dimension there's no way he could compete with Dormammu. And if we go by feats he most definitely doesn't measure up.
1. Dormammu
2. Shuma-Gorath
3. Blackheart
4. Mephisto
5. Satannish
