Ikaris Vs. Juggernaut

Like I said, only powerful psi's have been successful in doing so. I'm not an expert of the Eternals, but far, but I kind of doubt Ikaris has TP on par with Chuck, and Rachel.

So nobody has failed to mind-rape Juggs without his helmet? Because we really need to have someone failing to support it cannot be done.

Or, we need someone other than a very powerful TP doing it.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Or, we need someone other than a very powerful TP doing it.

So because he's been utterly stomped by Charles we suppose he cannot be defeated by anyone lower than he is? It just doesn't work that way. IF there is an instance of a powerful psychic at least stating it is difficult to tamper with Juggernaut's mind then we can work something.

Because if Doctor Octopus has been knocked by Professor X and no other psychic I'm not going to go ahead and imagine its a feat only uber psychics can do. That would be ridiculous.

Bedlam struggled to put Juggernaut down via TP, and Chuck admitted she was a more powerful TP than he was.

Ikaris could definitely mindblast Juggs but he needs to take his helmet off which I don't see happening.as for transmuting it...I don't think Ikaris has this kind of powers at least in the level Sersi does.
He can be smart enough to keep his distance but I do not see him hurting juggs too

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Bedlam struggled to put Juggernaut down via TP, and Chuck admitted she was a more powerful TP than he was.

I remember Bedlam putting down with one shot in that avengers issue.
of course he was without his helmet

Originally posted by Mindset
Well, odds are Mother Theresa can't be hypnotized, she's dead.

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PIS is the only reason why his magical helmet comes off. Most characters dont have a chance if they cant A) BFR him or B) mind rape him.

There have been no attemps to matter manip his armor/helmet, so we dont know if it will work or not. But his hemlet is supposed to be bonded to his armor via magic. By default matter manip wont work until proven otherwise.

Juggs wins this fight without BFR.

With BFR Ikaris wins via teleporting both of them into space, if this works.

anyways Ikaris does not have matter manip in the level of Sersi

Correct.

Originally posted by The Nuul
PIS is the only reason why his magical helmet comes off. Most characters dont have a chance if they cant A) BFR him or B) mind rape him.

There have been no attemps to matter manip his armor/helmet, so we dont know if it will work or not. But his hemlet is supposed to be bonded to his armor via magic. By default matter manip wont work until proven otherwise.

Juggs wins this fight without BFR.

With BFR Ikaris wins via teleporting both of them into space, if this works.

You can say that the helmet comes off by PIS, but it comes off! Do you have proof of those situations being retconned or that it cannot be matter-manipulated? If not, then don't make dandy assumptions about it and let characters use their real powersets!

"Its magic so it cannot be manipulated" when the helmet has come off is not a valid argument 😬

Being less adept than Sersi in matter-manipulation is saying little since Sersi can turn people into bunnies with a thought.

Originally posted by Warlord
I remember Bedlam putting down with one shot in that avengers issue.
of course he was without his helmet

That was the 9th Day arc. The Exemplars were still being influenced, Juggernaut wasn't.

And yes, he was without helmet in the 9th day instance.