Originally posted by Digi
Nothing's ever been specifically stated about majestic's magic resistance or lack thereof. Suffice it to has he doesn't have a particular weakness to it like documented for Superman. Saying that he has specific magic defenses beyond his base durability, however, is conjecture. Magic being what it is, anecdotal evidence means very little.
superman has no special weakness to magic either. if maj has no specific resistance to magic, then he and kal would be affected by magic the same way.
maj would need to be able to hit loki while loki is intangible. still not sure entirely what spells loki could use to take someone like kal or maj down, but unless maj can hit an intangible foe, i don't see how he can win. 😬
Originally posted by leonidas
why? is it just because of the prep? supes and majestic are equally vulnerable to magic i think, right? unless majestic has some special INVULNERABILITY to magic, in which case i understand your position. curious why you think kal loses and maj wins.
Well, first off, the Loki/Superman thread is a random encounter fight so it's really not the same kind of match up here. Secondly, Majestic is a proven super-genius and almost peerless warrior; with prep I don't see how or why he couldn't beat Loki. Hell, Superman with prep would stand a better chance against a magic user than he would in a random encounter as well.
Originally posted by leonidas
superman has no special weakness to magic either.
There's 70+ years of comics to back it up. Majestic has no weakness to magic. And he's resisted magical transmutation before, as well.
That being said, if you're arguing the entire "Loki goes intangible before the fight" scenario, then this is a stalemate probably....unless I assume that Majestic will make something that'll allow him to strike intangible beings or force Loki out of it during his 30 minute prep phase, but basic knowledge probably doesn't cover knowledge that Loki possesses that ability. So...
Stalemate?
Originally posted by Enyalus
Get the hell out. Superman's four known weaknesses: [b]magic, kryptonite, red solar radiation, and Lois' dripping thighs.There's 70+ years of comics to back it up. Majestic has no weakness to magic. And he's resisted magical transmutation before, as well.
That being said, if you're arguing the entire "Loki goes intangible before the fight" scenario, then this is a stalemate probably....unless I assume that Majestic will make something that'll allow him to strike intangible beings or force Loki out of it during his 30 minute prep phase, but basic knowledge probably doesn't cover knowledge that Loki possesses that ability. So...
Stalemate? [/B]
what do you mean "get out"? it's been pretty commonly established that kal is not especially vulnerable to magic. there is a scan somewhere to prove it but can't find it but i DO know i could show you a jurgens interview that states this is a fact.
magic has the same impact on him as it does anyone who is NOT specially protected from magic. magic affects kal exactly the same as it affects spiderman, not MORE than it affects spidey . . . it has been stated that it APPEARS to be a large vulnerablility because he is invulnerable to everything else. i don't see why that would be hard to believe, frankly.
as far as the match--yeah, i'd say stalemate i guess, unless loki can mindrape him. kal has some great anti-tp feats. how's about maj? (though with prep i guess he could build something?)
not sure how his tech would avoid getting transmuted however, nor do i know how someone who believes loki can just change maj into snow can see maj winning though--prpe or no prep. big leap of faith to think he can just create 'anti-magic' protection because he gets prep. 😬
^ It's still a problem. There isn't a single comic post Infinite Crisis to my knowledge that portrays that magic is less of a problem than it used to be.
Also, Majestic's a superspeed prepping beast. Remember when he converted himself into proto-neutronium? He'd probably transmute himself into magicdon'taffectme-onium.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Depends on the writer but it's still a weakness.
Pretty much.
Some portray magic as more of a nuisance/inconvenience where as other writers depict it as a glaring "chink in the armor" kind of deal. In any case, magic is something that Superman is at a disadvantage at typically.