Originally posted by vansonbeeHe opens stargates that have such a massive gravitational output that he can't do it within a planet's atmosphere or it would destroy the planet.
How long can he maintain it though & is it enough to crush Apocalypse before he run out of juice?
He has full access to the entire Nova Force which has been described as a limitless energy source.
Point of order, just because he has control over his molecular structure doesn't mean other forces can't act upon it and cause changes themselves. He's still spending X amount of energy to enact a change in his structure, so if something spends more energy than X, it'll be able to cause a change (like damage) until he spends even more energy to counteract it.
Originally posted by galactusischere
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Apoc is a mid-high herald level character. Nova is mid-herald at best.Apoc has speed over him(teleportation).
Versatality(due to having all those powers).
Strenght.
and size.plus he only has to take off Nova's helmet to mindrape him.
Except Worldmind can read incoming teleportation signatures (Annihilation #3 i think WM warns Nova right before the Centurians port in), so that wouldn't help Apoc much, and in pure speed Nova has a huge advantage.
What has Apoc done that makes him > Nova in strength? As I stated before, Nova was hurting a technarch with his punches, and has numerous other strength feats to his name.
And the amount of tricks Nova can pull out with his gravimetric powers makes him at least equal to Apoc in versatility, if not greater.
And Nova's power output is far above 'Poccy.
Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Except Worldmind can read incoming teleportation signatures (Annihilation #3 i think WM warns Nova right before the Centurians port in), so that wouldn't help Apoc much, and in pure speed Nova has a huge advantage.
What has Apoc done that makes him > Nova in strength? As I stated before, Nova was hurting a technarch with his punches, and has numerous other strength feats to his name.
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/10069/514868-apocalypse_vs_hulk_00_super.jpg
It was Hulk that couldn't get any stronger, but he was faaar beyond class 100. and Apoc was doing that EASILY AT REGULAR SIZE. He can grow to be 100s of feet tall.
And the amount of tricks Nova can pull out with his gravimetric powers makes him at least equal to Apoc in versatility, if not greater.
Fine.
And Nova's power output is far above 'Poccy. [/B]
Originally posted by galactusischere
Did the WM also warn Nova from which point/direction the incoming teleportation was coming from and to which point it was teleporting to??
and how fast is Nova exactly? I know that Apoc is MUCH faster than Quicksilver.http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/10069/514868-apocalypse_vs_hulk_00_super.jpg
It was Hulk that couldn't get any stronger, but he was faaar beyond class 100. and Apoc was doing that EASILY AT REGULAR SIZE. He can grow to be 100s of feet tall.
Fine.
Prove it.
Nova lobotomised Ego the Living Planet with an energy blast, that alone is >> Anything Apocs energy blasts have done.
And imo, punching up a being that is hundreds of feet tall and consumes stars for life energy is more impressive than choking out the Hulk.
And as for Nova's speed, he was able to keep ahead of the Surfer in space combat with his speed, although Surfer was gaining on him. Another example is after SI when the Serpent Society took a bunch of hostages, Nova and 3 centurians inserted into the building and took out the Society in something like 3 seconds.
Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Nova lobotomised Ego the Living Planet with an energy blast, that alone is >> Anything Apocs energy blasts have done.
How is that fair? your comparing a person that is always in space, against someone who spends most of his time on earth. He hasn't probably even met Ego.
and I saw how he was faring against that monster that fed upon fear 🙄 .
Surfer could have easily killed him while Galactus incinirated him with a thought while sitting on his throne.
And imo, punching up a being that is hundreds of feet tall and consumes stars for life energy is more impressive than choking out the Hulk.
And as for Nova's speed, he was able to keep ahead of the Surfer in space combat with his speed, although Surfer was gaining on him. Another example is after SI when the Serpent Society took a bunch of hostages, Nova and 3 centurians inserted into the building and took out the Society in something like 3 seconds.
Nova easily caught up to Darkhawk who was flying at 4 times the speed of sound. Nova's in general are known as some of the fastest beings in the universe according to Gamora.
Nova has also easily bested (the new hand to hand combat badass version) of Drax and Gamora in combat on more then one occasion. On another note Nova is ridiculously durable. Especially to blount or concussive force attacks. He can be cut though. Not sure how much strength someone has to have to cut him though.
So in summary, his class 100+ strength combined with his hand to hand combat ability, his durability and other powers with the Worldmind should allow him to take this IMO.
Originally posted by dmills
Nova easily caught up to Darkhawk who was flying at 4 times the speed of sound. Nova's in general are known as some of the fastest beings in the universe according to Gamora.
Nova has also easily bested (the new hand to hand combat badass version) of Drax and Gamora in combat on more then one occasion. On another note Nova is ridiculously durable. Especially to blount or concussive force attacks. He can be cut though. Not sure how much strength someone has to have to cut him though.So in summary, his class 100+ strength combined with his hand to hand combat ability, his durability and other powers with the Worldmind should allow him to take this IMO.
Meh, Apoc is over 5000 years old, so really I don't see why he shouldn't have good H2H abilities/skills. And Drax/Gamora are slow pokes compared to Quick Silver which Apoc easily reacted to while he was busy fighting a few other heroes.
Granting that Apoc HAS studied adamantium, then he would be to turn his skin into a metal just as hard or dense.
Originally posted by dmillsI'm pretty sure at the molecular level gravitational force is negligible compared to the strong forces at work, not positive though
Uh... o...k... I believe that you said Apoc has complete control of his molecules. I simply made the observation that molecules can be affected by gravity, so Apoc isn't safe from the attack that I described.
