wonder woman vs power girl

Originally posted by Enyalus
I thought they'd already fought once, and Diana won without much issue.

A number of people like to cite the JLA Quarterly from around 15 or so years ago (don't have my books here, so I can't remember the Iss#) where Diana, Karen, and the girls had a mission together, and Karen was bucking under everyone else deferring to Diana as the assumed leader in charge. Karen made three attacks (general rough-housing, not in earnest) against Diana, including a tackle/grapple, and in all three Diana's *skill* allowed her to flop Karen on her ass. The problem with referencing that (and later encounters, including the one a couple of years ago in B&B #7) is people take them out of context: In the former, PG was at half (or possibly less) of the power level she had been in comics just a few years earlier, due to her still recovering from having nearly died (in was an ongoing subplot for her at that time that her powers were wonky and her strength wasn't what it used to be -- I recall her hyperbolic statement at the time that she "was nearly as strong as Superman" as her puffing herself -- she wasn't, at that time, but used to be; Diana knew this, but kindly responded "Good -- I hope everyone on the team can carry their own weight" -- or very similar statement).
At that time, also, Diana had just returned from being in space, and having fought a Daxamite named Julia, who really *was* nearer to Supes league -- it took Diana *everything* she had to stand up to Julia, and the only reason WW "won" was because their fighting gave Julia time to think about the situation they were in, and that she (WW) was her ally and trying to help her, so she eventually walked away after a number of panels of fighting, leaving Diana in moderately rough shape. Otherwise, Julia could have killed her, as WW commented herself (Note that this is near Perez' Era WW, and several upgrades ago). Diana didn't have nearly as much difficulty fighting PG (albeit not seriously), because PG wasn't at her normal power at the time.
In the more recent B&B tussle, it showed them as being more or less comparable, with PG (possessed) having the drop on WW who was momentarily weakened by cyanide poisoning. But they seemed more or less equal, in direct physical power.

WW #41 should be interesting, to say the least.

I think its the B&B encounter I remember seeing. But thanks for the explanation, Tide.

Needless to say, Wondy's going to win that matchup in #41. It is her book, afterall. 😛

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
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1.) WW 6/10
2.) Split as She-Hulk will be a distraction

Yeah, that works too. While Diana is much more powerful than Jen, the latter can certainly make for a good distraction (or help anchor in a tug o' war), and in that context, it could open the window for Karen. Not a given, as Jen is easily BFR'd by either of these ladies, but a possible distraction, never the less. So I semi-retract my "non-factor" reference.

u guys are making it soudnt like she hulks strength level is about the same as rogues by saying she is just a distraction. she cant fly compared to the other 2 but her strength is around colossus level

Originally posted by chomperx9
u guys are making it soudnt like she hulks strength level is about the same as rogues by saying she is just a distraction. she cant fly compared to the other 2 but her strength is around colossus level

Originally posted by chomperx9
u guys are making it soudnt like she hulks strength level is about the same as rogues by saying she is just a distraction. she cant fly compared to the other 2 but her strength is around colossus level

Shes grounded.

Never make a match with people that are grounded like her.

Everyone should know this.

Originally posted by carver9
Shes grounded.

Never make a match with people that are grounded like her.

Everyone should know this.

Imo Diana takes the majority against Karen in the first scenario. In the scecond scenario, she's able to pull the win 6.5/10

Karen has yet to accomplish the same feats as Wonder Woman. Sure Diana has been around longer, but more recently we've seen Diana take on multiple villains, held her own against Amazo, new power set etc. Karen's best feat thus far from her series is stoped part of Manhattan from falling. Diana on the other hand has move the moon on two occasions and pull the earth from the sun's gravitational pull with the help of the Superman, Green Lantern and the Martian. Moreover, there's the meteor instance. Helping Superman lift the spectre etc..

Originally posted by aztec
Imo Diana takes the majority against Karen in the first scenario. In the scecond scenario, she's able to pull the win 6.5/10

Karen has yet to accomplish the same feats as Wonder Woman. Sure Diana has been around longer, but more recently we've seen Diana take on multiple villains, held her own against Amazo, new power set etc. Karen's best feat thus far from her series is stoped part of Manhattan from falling. Diana on the other hand has move the moon on two occasions and pull the earth from the sun's gravitational pull with the help of the Superman, Green Lantern and the Martian. Moreover, there's the meteor instance. Helping Superman lift the spectre etc..

By way of feats, yeah, Karen doesn't have as many; but conceptually she's in WW's neighborhood, as she has been indicated as having the power of a strong Kryptonian woman, which puts her in the same league as WW or SM (and stronger than Supergirl, who while powerful, just doesn't hit the same plateau's as WW or SM). And much like with the Superman/Captain Marvel debate, PG and WW have for 20 years been indicated as having comparable physical power, with Diana having greater skill/finesse, and Karen having greater durability/range of powers. I am one of the first people to defend WW around here (as a number of people greatly low-ball her), but in this case she really is up against an equal (if still with a different powerset) opponent. And as far a Jen goes -- I have always loved me some She-Hulk, and she is tough, but not on the same level as either PG or WW.

Originally posted by tideoftime
By way of feats, yeah, Karen doesn't have as many; but conceptually she's in WW's neighborhood, as she has been indicated as having the power of a strong Kryptonian woman, which puts her in the same league as WW or SM (and stronger than Supergirl, who while powerful, just doesn't hit the same plateau's as WW or SM). And much like with the Superman/Captain Marvel debate, PG and WW have for 20 years been indicated as having comparable physical power, with Diana having greater skill/finesse, and Karen having greater durability/range of powers. I am one of the first people to defend WW around here (as a number of people greatly low-ball her), but in this case she really is up against an equal (if still with a different powerset) opponent. And as far a Jen goes -- I have always loved me some She-Hulk, and she is tough, but not on the same level as either PG or WW.

I understand what your saying, I consider Pee Gee only second to Diana when it comes to female superheroes (strength). However, given Diana's weapons, training and portrayel in comics. I tend to say that Wonder Woman is Karen superior. Sure, their about equal in strength, but given Diana's background. I would place her a notch or two above her. I'm not taking anything away from Karen, she's obviously the backbone of the Justice Society. However, I tend to say Diana is overall better thanks to her other power set/training etc.

WW

Originally posted by chomperx9
u guys are making it soudnt like she hulks strength level is about the same as rogues by saying she is just a distraction. she cant fly compared to the other 2 but her strength is around colossus level

I can't speak for anyone else, but I know I'm not low-balling Jen's strength...

Let me put this another way...

Would you say either She-Hulk or Colossus are as strong (or nearly as strong) as Superman?

If yes, then you're perception of both is quite a bit off...

If no, then keep in mind that both Wonder Woman and Powergirl *are* nearly as strong as Superman, generally speaking. So saying Jen is out of her league (especially with the speed/skill department factored in) is not that far off.

Originally posted by tideoftime
I can't speak for anyone else, but I know I'm not low-balling Jen's strength...

Let me put this another way...

Would you say either She-Hulk or Colossus are as strong (or nearly as strong) as Superman?

If yes, then you're perception of both is quite a bit off...

If no, then keep in mind that both Wonder Woman and Powergirl *are* nearly as strong as Superman, generally speaking. So saying Jen is out of her league (especially with the speed/skill department factored in) is not that far off.

i figured with 2 super strength characters who are a little below dianas strength level would give her some trouble if you add PG and jens strength together.

wonder woman

Originally posted by chomperx9
u guys are making it soudnt like she hulks strength level is about the same as rogues by saying she is just a distraction. she cant fly compared to the other 2 but her strength is around colossus level

Um, Colossus' strength level is many tiers below the main characters we are talking about here.

Originally posted by Placidity
Um, Colossus' strength level is many tiers below the main characters we are talking about here.

Diana against a weaker and less skilled Superman powerset?
uh, Diana. 8/10

She-Hulk is cannon fodder here.

that fight was not bad. not bad at all, imo. karen did very well.

I like how unperturbed Diana was about being punched across country boundies.

"Wait. This isn't... did she just punch me into Canada?" before brushing herself off and rushing back to DC for the next blow. They both show real strength and speed.

Karen did quite good for awhile, but then WW started using her training to make her wiff her blows.

Wonder Woman showed in that fight who the boss is. She was playing it save till the end.