Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Odin can summon Gungnir whenever he wants. So what? It's Odin. We don't cry foul on Hercules when he uses his mace in a fight and call him a cheater.
no, gugnir and mace are not standard weapons...like mjolnir is for thor.
on KMC, a fight involving herc does not include the mace unless specifically stated.
gugnir played a pivotal role...that was the attack that had thanos down on the count.
but here, odin does not automatically get gugnir. so your entire analysis rests upon flawed foundations.
^ Why not? It's your thread where Thanos and his forces invade Asgard and Odin and his forces have to defend it. Since when did you prohibit them, such that if Odin materialized Gungnir into his hands, it's auto-disqualification?
If in comics he very well could, instantaneously, that's part of his power.
You're literally conflating a KMC rule as invalidating an on-panel comic book fight. If you don't see the issue there, you need to think about it.
It's Odin's equipment. It's not like he borrowed Gungnir from someone else or could never have it in his hands unless given ample opportunity to retrieve it. It's about as much an unfair advantage as Loki summoning his Flame Sword and far less an unfair advantage as Wonderwoman summoning the Godwave. And yet, both of those are allowed for fights unless otherwise prohibited.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0If he was defeated then Odin wouldn't need to ask him. That's a clone's opinion which isn't proof of anything.
^ Being utterly outclassed at every turn is being defeated.Comic fights aren't basketball games. And a more appropriate analogy is when a boxing match is stopped before the 10th round because one opponent is outclassing the other, it's a TKO for the outclasser and a loss for the loser.
Odin thought Thanos endured enough punishment where even he would finally concede and ask for quarter, thus stroking Odin's ego. He underestimated Thanos' will. Still stomped a mudhole into him.
You apparently can't read four words:
The point is I gave you an example that until it's finished you can't pick a winner or a loser. You don't care about what happens in comics only your opinion.
If you stomp a mudhole in someone you beat them with a ko or kill them. I guess stomping a mudhole is going back and forth for an entire issue where you praise the guy you thought you defeated.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0ha you're completely wrong
^ Why not? It's your thread where Thanos and his forces invade Asgard and Odin and his forces have to defend it. Since when did you prohibit them, such that if Odin materialized Gungnir into his hands, it's auto-disqualification?If in comics he very well could, instantaneously, that's part of his power.
You're literally conflating a KMC rule as invalidating an on-panel comic book fight. If you don't see the issue there, you need to think about it.
It's Odin's equipment. It's not like he borrowed Gungnir from someone else or could never have it in his hands unless given ample opportunity to retrieve it. It's about as much an unfair advantage as Dr. Strange summoning the Crimson Bands and far less an unfair advantage as Wonderwoman summoning the Godwave. And yet, both of those are allowed for fights unless otherwise prohibited.
Wonderwoman is NOT allowed to summon godwave in a standard KMC fight unless specifically specified by threadmaker to do so
standard weapons in kmc means character virtually always have them: ie captain america and his shield, batman and his utility belt, etc. it does not include weapons or equipment that are in a character's possession but DOES NOT always follow the character. ie...the mace is not standard for herc, godwave is not standard for wondy, and gugnir is NOT standard for odin.
^ So Odin using Gungnir in this thread to defend Asgard from Thanos' forces is auto-disqualification?
Not really. I've seen threads where she's not allowed to use Godwave. I've never seen a thread where she's permitted to use the Godwave. You've got the rule backwards in that respect.
Dr. Strange's Crimson Bands don't follow Dr. Strange. Loki's Flame Sword doesn't follow Loki. That doesn't mean they can't summon them at will whenever they want to, as demonstrated on-panel. Which is what Odin did and does.
Frankly, you're operating backwards right now.
I I understand Bruce's point to a certain degree. In one respect you are wrong about WW and her being able to call upon the Godwave…. That is something that isn't standard "equipment" for her and needs to be specified she has, not the other way around. We don't assume WW has the Godwave in the many threads with her floating about. That being said.. I think Odin and his spear are different than WW and the Godwave and Thanos and his ship. Being that it's a weapon he can call upon and always can do so make it a viable tactic. WW hasn't always had the Godwave.. Thanos doesn't always have his ship with him. Odin can however.. call upon his spear at any point. So.. I believe Odin and his spear are standard equipment.. true not as standard as Thor.. but I wouldn't cry foul if somebody mentioned him using it in a fight. I think the main point Bruce was making was that.. When Odin pulled that out.. changed the battle to be even more in Odins favor. He was already winning but that is what did any kind of serious damage to Thanos. I'm guessing that is what he was trying to say.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I think the main point Bruce was making was that.. When Odin pulled that out.. changed the battle to be even more in Odins favor. He was already winning but that is what did any kind of serious damage to Thanos. I'm guessing that is what he was trying to say.
exactly
^ KuRuPT Thanosi's estimation is fine. And had I thought you were saying that, I might have agreed. But you said "it's not fair and Odin had extra weapons" etc., making it sound like Odin shouldn't have been allowed to do so in comic battles, much less KMC forum battles. As it stands, we still disagree on whether Odin can call Gungnir like Loki calls his Flame Sword, etc. But it's your thread and if the issue comes up somewhere else, I'll pursue the issue there.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiMy recounting of WW's Godwave and it's permissibility or imperssibility in threads is different. I've never seen a thread where someone says, ok here is Wonderwoman vs Opponent X, "Wonderwoman is allowed to use her Godwave." It's almost always, "Wonderwoman is not allowed to use her Godwave." Nevertheless, on that narrow note, it's a matter of semantics, as we agree on everything else.
I I understand Bruce's point to a certain degree. In one respect you are wrong about WW and her being able to call upon the Godwave…. That is something that isn't standard "equipment" for her and needs to be specified she has, not the other way around. We don't assume WW has the Godwave in the many threads with her floating about. That being said.. I think Odin and his spear are different than WW and the Godwave and Thanos and his ship. Being that it's a weapon he can call upon and always can do so make it a viable tactic. WW hasn't always had the Godwave.. Thanos doesn't always have his ship with him. Odin can however.. call upon his spear at any point. So.. I believe Odin and his spear are standard equipment.. true not as standard as Thor.. but I wouldn't cry foul if somebody mentioned him using it in a fight. I think the main point Bruce was making was that.. When Odin pulled that out.. changed the battle to be even more in Odins favor. He was already winning but that is what did any kind of serious damage to Thanos. I'm guessing that is what he was trying to say.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0What do you consider standard gear for Odin?
^ So Odin using Gungnir in this thread to defend Asgard from Thanos' forces is auto-disqualification?Not really. I've seen threads where she's not allowed to use Godwave. I've never seen a thread where she's permitted to use the Godwave. You've got the rule backwards in that respect.
Dr. Strange's Crimson Bands don't follow Dr. Strange. Loki's Flame Sword doesn't follow Loki. That doesn't mean they can't summon them at will whenever they want to, as demonstrated on-panel. Which is what Odin did and does.
Frankly, you're operating backwards right now.