Originally posted by KingD19
Let's clear up some things.Also, Onslaught ripped the Cytorrak Gem out of Juggernaut's chest before he clocked him, which made no sense, since Cain threw the gem into space a couple years beforehand.
as soooo.. many ppl in comicvine like to say retcon.. 😛
i am joking just really bad story telling and consistency.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
cytorak is elder god level odin is skyfather,,
elder god>>>skyfather
you dont know WHAT cyttorak is, let alone his power levels.... got any scans or anything that says he's anything other than a demon??? i mean really, where do you draw this conclusion from??
i'm not even sure what cyttorak has to do with this, this isnt cyttorak vs odin, so clearly the spelling out needs to be done for YOU.
this is juggernaut vs odin. odin could easily amp himself to at the very bare minumum to stalemate the juggernaut indefinately.
Originally posted by KillAllExactly. People confuse Juggernaut with Cytorrak all the time as some sort of justification.
you dont know WHAT cyttorak is, let alone his power levels.... got any scans or anything that says he's anything other than a demon??? i mean really, where do you draw this conclusion from??i'm not even sure what cyttorak has to do with this, this isnt cyttorak vs odin, so clearly the spelling out needs to be done for YOU.
this is juggernaut vs odin. odin could easily amp himself to at the very bare minumum to stalemate the juggernaut indefinately.
To beat Juggernauts enchantments, which are powered by Cytorrak, you have to be able to put more power into beating them, then Cytorrak has in keeping them up.
And Juggernaut walked through everything Thor threw at him physically, whose already stronger than Odin, Odin can't beat Juggernaut at his own game.
Originally posted by KillAllthor's most powerful attack, the godblast, barely tickled juggernaut
this is juggernaut vs odin. odin could easily amp himself to at the very bare minumum to stalemate the juggernaut indefinately.
odin isn't capable of punching harder than the force of a godblast.
odin can't hurt juggernaut physically.
Originally posted by KingD19I disagree unless you think war hulk is more powerful than his enchantments.
To beat Juggernauts enchantments, which are powered by Cytorrak, you have to be able to put more power into beating them, then Cytorrak has in keeping them up.And Juggernaut walked through everything Thor threw at him physically, whose already stronger than Odin, Odin can't beat Juggernaut at his own game.
why couldnt odin magically enchant a pair of brass knuckles specifially made to bypass juggernauts magic??? juggernauts magic has been bypassed before.
shatterstar, d'spayre, and the bloodaxe have all done so with no prep whatsoever. odin could do it if these jokers could....
edit: war hulk also bypassed his magical ability. he stopped him in his tracks. thors godblast also stopped juggernaut. nimrod came up with a way to hault him. odin is easily capable of bypassing his magic also.
and dont bother explaining how all these people do it, i already know.
If Odin was allowed magic he could win
in physical confrontations he's basically never been shown on panel tolose when it hasn't been changed...
Onslaught not on panel
war hulk retconned.
That's what I believe anyways.
And with his magic odin could disable juggs access to cyttoraks just like thir did
and beat him then but without it...
Also I believe juggs has been a walking skeneton before but I can. Remember the cirumstances there
Don't know the SS or Bloodaxe incident
D'Spayre used Juggs own energies against him, and then he just turned him into a red, glowing, pissed off skeleton.
And War Hulk had Savage Hulk's strength, boosted by Celestial Tech. And if you look at the fight, all he did was push Juggernaut back till he stopped, then he tripped him with that arm-tendril. After that he popped his helmet off, nothing special.
Originally posted by KingD19He stopped his forward momentum so by your rationale war hulk is greater than cytorak.
Don't know the SS or Bloodaxe incidentD'Spayre used Juggs own energies against him, and then he just turned him into a red, glowing, pissed off skeleton.
And War Hulk had Savage Hulk's strength, boosted by Celestial Tech. And if you look at the fight, all he did was push Juggernaut back till he stopped, then he tripped him with that arm-tendril. After that he popped his helmet off, nothing special.
KillAll: I wasn't talking about the whole fight, I meant popping his helmet, which many people have done. Oh, and let's not forget, Juggernaut was locked with Hulk until he got tripped and thrown. And Juggernaut doesn't win on defense, he beats the other guy until they stop moving, which is what he'll do to the High Father.
Quanchi: Really????
Originally posted by quanchi112
He stopped his forward momentum so by your rationale war hulk is greater than cytorak.
no by your rationale he is greater, i said he simply bypassed his magics... or negated them in a fashion. war hulk isnt greater than cyttorak or odin, or even thor. but his green aura negated juggernauts magic.
all i'm saying is that if many people in juggernauts past have bypassed his magic in some way shape or for, so can odin. the only difference is odin would have to come up with a way to do it physically. like war hulk did.
edit: who said anything about him popping his helmet??? lol...
Originally posted by KillAllBut if he can negate his magics then so can Odin or someone else and they don't have to beat up cytorak in a fight.
no by your rationale he is greater, i said he simply bypassed his magics... or negated them in a fashion. war hulk isnt greater than cyttorak or odin, or even thor. but his green aura negated juggernauts magic.all i'm saying is that if many people in juggernauts past have bypassed his magic in some way shape or for, so can odin. the only difference is odin would have to come up with a way to do it physically. like war hulk did.
edit: who said anything about him popping his helmet??? lol...
Originally posted by KingD19You entered the logic into the thread now you want to ignore it.
KillAll: I wasn't talking about the whole fight, I meant popping his helmet, which many people have done. Oh, and let's not forget, Juggernaut was locked with Hulk until he got tripped and thrown. And Juggernaut doesn't win on defense, he beats the other guy until they stop moving, which is what he'll do to the High Father.Quanchi: Really????
Haha what the hell is this shit? If Odin can amp himself his own power, he beats the utter shit out of Juggernaut.
Immune to physical force my brown ass crack. Juggernaut has been affected multiple times in comics by physical force. Physical. Including Thor who was beating the crap out of him once he removed his force field.
Take into account Odin's raw power (Which by the way Cytorrak has done absolutely NOTHING to show he can equal.), and the fact that his power is magical on top of everything, then Juggernaut get's his shit pushed in.
Odin rips the gem out of Cain's chest, then proceeds to make him his bottom *****.
This high up the totem pole, Cain's enchantment means dodo. Especially if Thor can affect it. Odin will simply just work through it.
i'm not ignoring anything, i said nothing about popping of any helmets. war hulk stopped juggernaut... end of story. he threw him when he was done, but it was clear that juggernaut thought it impossible. but it was because hulk was the one that did it. then he grabbed his leg with that tendril and threw him... if you cant see the on panel evidence with that then you are blind...
i defend juggernaut, in fact i may be one of his greatest defenders ON THIS FORUM. but this is simply a fight he will not win. stalemate at best... but not win.
Originally posted by quanchi112Quanchi you are So Crazed... 😱
But if he can negate his magics then so can Odin or someone else and they don't have to beat up cytorak in a fight. You entered the logic into the thread now you want to ignore it.
you are just mad because Juggernaut will Own Odin in a Brawl...and to you just don´t make sense because to you Thanos>Odin>Juggernaut and in reality in a Brawl it will go like this, Juggernaut>Odin>>>Thanos... 😎