How important are speed and reflexes

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Thor has the tools, powers, and abilities to drop Hulk pretty much whenever he wants to, only...he doesn't. I think it's because Hulk somehow affects Thor's pride to want to fight him on as even terms as possible and come out the victor so he can, without a doubt, be dubbed Hulk's superior.

um, its not just the case vs thor though...hulk vs sentry was the same. are you saying hulk affects sentry's pride as well?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Just how much does speed and reflexes effect a match up when compared to things such as power, strength, durability, intellect, versatility, etc?

i think it's just as important as the others. the only problem that all the speed in the world won't help you if you can't (or in some cases won't) apply it properly.

Originally posted by Starscream M
thor's godblast is useless in fights against mobile fighters...he has to charge it and aim it....virtually anyone with any speed would avoid it

except he can do it omnidirectional like in his fight with Durok

Originally posted by Warlord
except he can do it omnidirectional like in his fight with Durok

Originally posted by -Pr-
i think it's just as important as the others. the only problem that all the speed in the world won't help you if you can't (or in some cases won't) apply it properly.

Originally posted by Starscream M
was it a godblast? I would like to see the scan if possible. and it must not be completely omnidirectional or it would hit himself.

how could it hit himself?
it was originating from his body...his own divine energies

Originally posted by Starscream M
superman can and would in a kmc fight imo.

depends entirely on who he's fighting.

eventually yes, he would have to, but sometimes he'll take a lot longer than he would with others...

Originally posted by -Pr-
depends entirely on who he's fighting.

Originally posted by Starscream M
well yeah...but if he's fighting someone who's going to present a challenge (ie Thor), I have no doubt Superman will resort to speed pretty early on in their fight

not really. For one, Thor is more likely to fight fair than say, Doomsday or Brainiac would, meaning Superman would want to fight fair too. If Thor started pulling out some magic and such, THEN (and only then) could i see Superman resorting to his speed.

and even then, he's bound to stand there and take a shot just to see if he can tank it, as he does with most people (and usually succeeds).

Originally posted by -Pr-
not really. For one, Thor is more likely to fight fair than say, Doomsday or Brainiac would, meaning Superman would want to fight fair too. If Thor started pulling out some magic and such, THEN (and only then) could i see Superman resorting to his speed.

and even then, he's bound to stand there and take a shot just to see if he can tank it, as he does with most people (and usually succeeds).

sure, the fight starts off with them throwing punches, but eventually thor will unleash a energy attack or lightning storm...at that instant, superman goes superspeed to avoid it and then continues his speed to blitz thor

thats how I see it.

Originally posted by Starscream M
I'm not sure why you would consider using superspeed as being unfair

sure, the fight starts off with them throwing punches, but eventually thor will unleash a energy attack or lightning storm...at that instant, superman goes superspeed to avoid it and then continues his speed to blitz thor

thats how I see it.

because Superman is faster. If Thor wants to duke it out, then Superman would most likely decide to duke it out with him. Superman is reactionary, he's not the type to initiate something UNLESS its against a villain/person he's fought before. and by this, im assuming they've never fought before and we're not including JLA/Avengers.

no, he wouldn't. he'd stand there and see how much it hurts when it hit him. This is the guy that has taken the OB and Shazam's lightning. He can handle one blast of magical lightning to see how much it stings. After that? Sure, he'd dodge it.

stop underrating superman, Pr!

Originally posted by Starscream M
stop underrating superman, Pr!

this isn't a tourney or a "he'll fight how you want him to fight" situation.

Superman's character will always come in to play, as will Thor's and anyone else's...

Originally posted by -Pr-
this isn't a tourney or a "he'll fight how you want him to fight" situation.

Superman's character will always come in to play, as will Thor's and anyone else's...

Originally posted by Starscream M
well, I don't see it as out of character for superman to use speed offensively...god knows aside from flash, I know of no character who uses superspeed as effectively or as often as superman.

he only uses it when he absolutely has to, though, which is the thing. When you can take the beating Superman can and still stand there trying to talk someone down (which has worked in the past), you don't necessarily need to blitz them.

In order to see how important it is, you just have to look at a few threads where one of the character has it and the other one doesn't, and make your conclusion based on the losing side's desperate stance.

Not a vs thread but a question thread. Moving.

Originally posted by Starscream M
anything from this century?

His fight with Moongoose?

Originally posted by Starscream M
so does the fact that hulk does so well against much more mobile heralds in comics mean he would have the same success on KMC?

KMC rules favor some characters and handicaps others.

Example for characters that benefit : Lanterns , Surfer , Thor , Flash
example of character being hurt on KMC: Hulk , Superman , Wolverine etc.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I agree with Kg. At this point, writers most definitely think about telling the story first and foremost.