Well yes, but in the case of Link, he doesn't suffer one that is the 'entire' focus of his swordplay afaik. Neither does Raphael. I don't know enough about Marth and MT, neither do I have a clue on their style.
Whereas with Vergil, his style is mostly based on quick-drawing. Forget Yamato's properties, I have no problem with that.
Though fair enough, I'll drop it.
I would pick Vergil but Iaido isn't an effective swordstyle to use in a fight.
I pick Raphael since he's the master of the rapier and fencing comes natural to him. The silver medal goes to Link since he had sword training before his adventure and learned techniques from an ancient warrior. I doubt his mortal draw is a magical attack. It's more like a pressure point strike where he strikes a vulnerable area that causes the most damage.
Here's my estimation on how things should go.
Vergil < Marth. Marth's fighting style is more practical, as Sin mentioned.
Vergil > Meta Knight. Short sword v.s. Katana = bad for the guy with the short sword.
Vergil < Link. Link has a more practical fighting style, range advantage, and skill.
Vergil = Raphael. Rapheal has skill, but Vergil's weapon has a practical advantage.
MetaKnight < Vergil.
MetaKnight > Rapheal. MetaKnight is very skilled and the rapier is much less effective against an enemy inside your range. If MK closes the gap, he wins.
MetaKnight < Marth. Marth's sword, while more effective at range, is still effective in close quarters.
MetaKnight < Link. See Marth.
Marth > Vergil. More practical fighting style and sword design = win.
Marth > MK. Dangerous both at range and in close, both are skilled, Marth's weapon is better.
Marth = Raphael. Both want to stay at range and poke each other, neither seem to have a definitive skill advantage.
Marth < Link. They're weapons are similar, but I think Link's more aggressive style would take it. I also can't see Marth countering Mortal Draw or a Helm Splitter.
Raphael = Vergil.
Raphael = Marth.
Raphael < MK.
Raphael < Link. His own creators had him lose to Link in SC2. D:!
This leaves me, with my admittedly biased opinion of
Link > all. 131
Link: 5 wins.
Marth: 2 wins, 1 draw, 1 loss.
Vergil: 1 win, 1 draw, 2 losses.
MetaKnight: 1 win, 3 losses.
Raphael 2 draws, 2 losses.
I vote for Raphael. Everything equialised, I think his skills are the best on the list.
What max speed? With the speed limit in place, his 'quick-draw' (Iaido) strikes will be read and dealt with by everyone he fights. He has no option but to rely on pure swordplay, and we don't see much of it in DMC3.
Don't get me wrong, he's good with 'regular' swordplay, but he hasn't demonstrated as much skill with it as the others; mainly due to his reliance on his speed and Yamato's supposed ability to cut through anything.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Here's my estimation on how things should go.Vergil < Marth. Marth's fighting style is more practical, as Sin mentioned.
Vergil > Meta Knight. Short sword v.s. Katana = bad for the guy with the short sword.
Vergil < Link. Link has a more practical fighting style, range advantage, and skill.
Vergil = Raphael. Rapheal has skill, but Vergil's weapon has a practical advantage.MetaKnight < Vergil.
MetaKnight > Rapheal. MetaKnight is very skilled and the rapier is much less effective against an enemy inside your range. If MK closes the gap, he wins.
MetaKnight < Marth. Marth's sword, while more effective at range, is still effective in close quarters.
MetaKnight < Link. See Marth.Marth > Vergil. More practical fighting style and sword design = win.
Marth > MK. Dangerous both at range and in close, both are skilled, Marth's weapon is better.
Marth = Raphael. Both want to stay at range and poke each other, neither seem to have a definitive skill advantage.
Marth < Link. They're weapons are similar, but I think Link's more aggressive style would take it. I also can't see Marth countering Mortal Draw or a Helm Splitter.Raphael = Vergil.
Raphael = Marth.
Raphael < MK.
Raphael < Link. His own creators had him lose to Link in SC2. D:!This leaves me, with my admittedly biased opinion of
Link > all. 131
Link: 5 wins.
Marth: 2 wins, 1 draw, 1 loss.
Vergil: 1 win, 1 draw, 2 losses.
MetaKnight: 1 win, 3 losses.
Raphael 2 draws, 2 losses.
Lol, you are such a fanboy! 😆
Actually in the canon of SC2 Raphael didn't lose to Link if they actually crossed paths then Raphael won seeing as the whole game ended with Raph vs Nightmare and he actually stalemated him/they beat each other. Hell in SC2, Raphael's Soul Edge was the real version of Soul Edge and not just the custom version with custom effects for each character.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
What max speed? With the speed limit in place, his 'quick-draw' (Iaido) strikes will be read and dealt with by everyone he fights. He has no option but to rely on pure swordplay, and we don't see much of it in DMC3.Don't get me wrong, he's good with 'regular' swordplay, but he hasn't demonstrated as much skill with it as the others; mainly due to his reliance on his speed and Yamato's supposed ability to cut through anything.
Max speed that is allowed here. Im thinking that the Dante vs Vergil fight is a good demonstration as they both showed equal speed which you can just turn that down and it would be what he would be doing here. Plus it shows he's skilled as he beat an expert swordsman without much trouble. (Dante whose speed was around the same for the fight)
Actually in the canon of SC2 Raphael didn't lose to Link if they actually crossed paths then Raphael won seeing as the whole game ended with Raph vs Nightmare and he actually stalemated him/they beat each other. Hell in SC2, Raphael's Soul Edge was the real version of Soul Edge and not just the custom version with custom effects for each character.
They couldn't very well have had Link's ending be the canon one. 😛
In his ending though, the only one he figures into, he smites Raphael, which you have to admit, is pretty awesome. 😎
Edit: No one picked up on it, but I listed Link for five wins when there's only four possible matches for him to fight. Where are the yells of fanboy? I practicly volunteered. D:
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Actually in the canon of SC2 Raphael didn't lose to Link if they actually crossed paths then Raphael won seeing as the whole game ended with Raph vs Nightmare and he actually stalemated him/they beat each other.
Raphael's version isn't the canon one.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Hell in SC2, Raphael's Soul Edge was the real version of Soul Edge and not just the custom version with custom effects for each character.
First, Raphael's Soul Edge was just a rapier with some veins.
Second, Soul Edge is able to shapeshift, so you really cant claim Raph had the canon one when there candidates with much better presentations.
Besides, in SC2, Soul Edge was incomplete because all of the parts hadn't been reunited yet.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
With the speed limit in place, his 'quick-draw' (Iaido) strikes will be read and dealt with by everyone he fights. He has no option but to rely on pure swordplay, and we don't see much of it in DMC3.
Throughout DMC3 he uses Battojutsu and some form of Shinkendo imo, and he's just as good with pure swordplay.
Well, that isn't what I was thinking at all, but it brings up another point. Meta Knight isn't unbeatable in the Kirbyverse, Kirby beats him. So even with Mach 1 sword strikes he has people that give him a challenge, thereby proving he has to have some skill. That's also a pretty epic reaction time feat for Kirby.
He also beat Galacta Knight which is pretty impressive. Lance vs Sword? Yeah.