Originally posted by xJLxKing
You are using comic-logic. That's where certain scenarios are met where they wouldn't in real life, or under forum rules.
I didn't say flying is an instant win. I said it's a huge advantage and anyone that disagrees seriously needs to understand what a real person would do in a fight.
Huge can maneuver as you said, but that not helping him when an opponent has used intangibility to escape similar situations. It's also not about how far you can leap, or how high. It's common sense. You opponent is faster, more agile, and the ability to fly. What's worse is Superman has Superman hearing, he can hear cell split apart, you think he can't hear a green monsters scream coming towards him.
Fact is, if Hulk tries to leap, as you said, he'll leap oversea and onto another land. Isn't that BFR? I wonder how long before he comes back? Are Black Adam, CM, and Superman going to wait for him, or are they as intelligent beings turn around and help their teammates? I think so. After all, these guys are imbued with magical powers, and superman is a known genius.
What logic am I supposed to use? Even under forum rules, chances are it ends up being on the ground and a slug fest.
They aren't real people.
It's an advantage, but it's far from some game change one. Like I said, just ask Superman. Flying gives you more maneuverability and agility in the air, so Superman would have the advantage if Hulk was in the air, but that's about it. The battle would mostly be on the ground.
Hulk has shown real accuracy with his leaps. Besides if he over leaps, he can simply leap right back.
And I don't see C.I.S off. It's more than likely that whoever ends up fighting the Hulk, ends up slugging it out.
Apocalypse is a badly written character most of the time. And in this forum Apoc should be able to handle these men well.
Become bigger than Galactus while encasing his body in metal similar to Adamantium.
While using Celestrial tech to Telekinetically halt the three opponents and wrapping his body parts around them and punching or dragging them to the ground. While Hulk stretches Black Adam eventually apart and Thor uses his enchanted hammer to beat Superman to death! Captain Marvel minced apart with a multitude of various blades.
Apocalypse is potentially one of the greatest villains ever with his biology and tech. Even Thanos was impressed and took him on a Magical Mystery Tour around the cosmos.
Just historically bad writting.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Doing all that seems to be something that a CISless Apoc would do (which we all agree is >>> comic Apoc BY FAR), not an Apoc fighting in character.
Originally posted by the ninjak
Apocalypse is a badly written character most of the time. And in this forum Apoc should be able to handle these men well.Become bigger than Galactus while encasing his body in metal similar to Adamantium.
While using Celestrial tech to Telekinetically halt the three opponents and wrapping his body parts around them and punching or dragging them to the ground. While Hulk stretches Black Adam eventually apart and Thor uses his enchanted hammer to beat Superman to death! Captain Marvel minced apart with a multitude of various blades.
Apocalypse is potentially one of the greatest villains ever with his biology and tech. Even Thanos was impressed and took him on a Magical Mystery Tour around the cosmos.
Just historically bad writting.
hence my argument. My explanation is what would happen without PIS and CIS.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What logic am I supposed to use? Even under forum rules, chances are it ends up being on the ground and a slug fest.They aren't real people.
It's an advantage, but it's far from some game change one. Like I said, just ask Superman. Flying gives you more maneuverability and agility in the air, so Superman would have the advantage if Hulk was in the air, but that's about it. The battle would mostly be on the ground.
Hulk has shown real accuracy with his leaps. Besides if he over leaps, he can simply leap right back.
And I don't see C.I.S off. It's more than likely that whoever ends up fighting the Hulk, ends up slugging it out.
As you see Superman fighting in Ground, I see otherwise. I see Superman, BA, and CM fighting at huge heights, 50-100 ft.
Hulk is bound to leap, and as you said, he leaps all the way to Canada. Bye bye! Till he comes back, someone is bound to be double teamed
Originally posted by xJLxKing
I see it another way. The ones that can fly will use flight.As you see Superman fighting in Ground, I see otherwise. I see Superman, BA, and CM fighting at huge heights, 50-100 ft.
Hulk is bound to leap, and as you said, he leaps all the way to Canada. Bye bye! Till he comes back, someone is bound to be double teamed
Superman has shown consistently throughout his history from what I've seen that he will keep it on the ground if his opponent is grounded. Even when he tried to use his advantage against Doomsday, it gave him the ability to stall Doomsday but not much more to be honest. In the end it ended up being a slug fest as well.
Black Adam will go into a slug fest either way, that much I think is obvious.
Captain Marvel is closer to Superman in this regard.
History has shown us, that flight or no flight, more than likely, this will end up being a slug fest. I don't know why you'd think otherwise. At least for the majority of the time.
And he leaps right back.
Originally posted by xJLxKingSuperman tried to avoid DD and it didn't work out too well. Superman also engages brawlers and what you are doing is ignoring his entire history and using powersets to determine the fight.
I see it another way. The ones that can fly will use flight.As you see Superman fighting in Ground, I see otherwise. I see Superman, BA, and CM fighting at huge heights, 50-100 ft.
Hulk is bound to leap, and as you said, he leaps all the way to Canada. Bye bye! Till he comes back, someone is bound to be double teamed