Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Sora is much stronger, even in his base form, and I'm not sure where it's said Seph is faster?
The best strength feat I've seen Sora do is cut apart skyscrapers, something Sephiroth does easily.
Faster? Maybe because at his weakest (CC), he was leagues above people like Zack, who effortlessly blocks and dodges machine gun bullets.
Is there any reason Sephiroth can't just snap Sora's neck with TK at the start of the battle?
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Sora's feats are all shown in reaction commands, which work the same way as cutscenes. Yes I said cutscenes. Reaction commands are 100% and absolute, meaning they'll never look different on screen and also are viewed from the exact same angles. What you see on the screen is 100% replicated each time a reaction command occurs. There's no glitch/gameplay mechanic involved to make it look different each time. It's like Riku shooting out a Dark Firaga - we knows this is something he can do. Sora's keyblade going through Donald during gameplay, is obviously unacceptable mechanics.
Sora is a beast, with his skills and his "phenomenally powerful keyblade" (KH2 secret ending quote) has a reaction command to deflect shotgun fire from pirates, as well as many others displaying his feats. That is why cutting a building is a feat for him - it's actually one of his reaction commands (which, again, work as cutscenes, even in the viewing angle perspective).
If someone says Sephiroth is a boss Sora can probably beat, right. Probably, however, doesn't fly on KMC. We consider based on all we know who is most likely to win without PIS and CIS, and Sephiroth takes that with a safe 75% minimum. I'm not surprised those saying Sora would win think Link without a godly plot device would overcome Sephiroth (any version of).
Sephiroth has better cutting feats (CC fight with Genesis) flight, high durability (Genesis' firagas did squat) and a sword that can hurt you almost wherever you are. Add his bizzare/angelic forms and you kind of have a colossus from SOTC vs. an ant from a Bug's Life.
Passed the time.
That is, if it wasn't for the Keyblade. A lot have a tendency to show laughable ignorance when it comes to that weapon. If it was some key, it would not even faze 97% of the villains in the series. It doesn't make Sora more impressive nonetheless than Sephiroth.
You could say it's a plot device for this reason; I personally wouldn't. SE has gone so far as to say it's actually a part of him and/or his heart. It disappears/gets snatched or knocked away, and instantly reappears in Sora's hand. Kind of makes it seem it's an extension of some sort.
If one were to count all of Sora's reaction commands as feats, he is faster than Sephiroth. And on terms of strength, I'd give them at least even footing there, considering both demolish buildings. In a straight up sword fight, Sora would beat him probably. Especially if you give him his drive forms. But he lacks a defense against Sephiroths TK and he couldn't get past Sephiroths defense anyway.
Originally posted by SpadeKing
Last time I argued command reactions they came up as gameplay mechanics disgust
Some people seem to think anything that isn't a cutscene isn't canon, which isn't realy the case. Though I don't like Sora at all, so if his feats could be ruled out as mechanics, I'd be happy 131
Anywayz; Time stop+smackz with keyblade = win.
Originally posted by linkownsyousobsHe's not faster; maybe around the same level. Add to that the fact Sora lacks flight unless in Final Form (no, he does not need to fuse with people to be in Drive Forms. This is proven to be a false gameplay mechanic to make the game more balanced. Proof is in the scene where he goes Valor Form and Goofy, who Sora fuses with in-game, pisses his pants at the sight of it all.)
If one were to count all of Sora's reaction commands as feats, he is faster than Sephiroth. And on terms of strength, I'd give them at least even footing there, considering both demolish buildings. In a straight up sword fight, Sora would beat him probably. Especially if you give him his drive forms. But he lacks a defense against Sephiroths TK and he couldn't get past Sephiroths defense anyway.
They demolish buildings, except Sephiroth pwned one with his mind in AC.
I also read something about the reaction commands counting as gameplay "mechanics". My other post explains why this is wrong...we all just said the building was a feat for Sora. THAT IS A REACTION COMMAND...so why is this a feat but all the other reaction commands aren't?
OMFG when will these Kingdom hearts fans get it that sora cant compare to the final fantasy ppl the only ones who can compete cuz they don act like total dumbasses are riku and roxas the rest would just get ****ed up if sephiroth fought that happy go lucky peice of shit sora sora would get his ass kicked so hard no gay ass key blade could unlock it 😠