Alien civilization war

Originally posted by 753
If they have the time to enlarge their power base like that and it works out as planned, then yes, they could match the stronger empires.

But in a totally chaotic conflict between all the factions, the ones that are already stronger are more likely to become even stronger by assimilating tech and resources from the others through conquest.

Didn't the shiar assimilate the strontians?

I'm pretty sure they killed them all because of the uppity high council. I remember that that was Gladiator's big crisis of conscious, revealed during War of the Kings.

Originally posted by Desaad
Vulcan took the Sh'iar empire pretty handily, the Inhumans conquered the Kree, weakened though they were.

As for the question, it depends how much they know about each other, how much prep time they have. Kryptonians and Daxamites have the best chance (especially the Daxamites, who have far greater numbers I believe) but they also have easily exploitable weaknesses.

Kryptonians seem to have superior technology, and we are about to see just how impressive they are when they gird for war, so we'll see.

Vulcan married into nobility and before that he was just wreaking havok and killing weaker members od the imperial guard, he did not face the entire collective might of the empire, and got his ass handed to him by gladiator just the same. The kree were weakened and welcomed the inhumans.

Superpowered races can overcome some big numerical and material disadvantages, but if we're talking about these races at their height (after all the skrulls are on the verge of extincion now) I think it's too much for them.

The best chance the smaller kingdoms have is if the big dogs fight each other instead of conquering the weaker to become more powerfull in the beggining. Then the weaker races can take advantage of their weakened state.

I'm only posting by the races I know by the way, I dont know all of them.

Originally posted by Desaad
I'm pretty sure they killed them all because of the uppity high council. I remember that that was Gladiator's big crisis of conscious, revealed during War of the Kings.

that's right, people rubbed his subserviance to the conqueror's in his face didn't they?

Well slaying planet of supermen shows how much firepower they're packing.

Shiar really are ******** arent they? with all their pomp and self-righteousness

Originally posted by Desaad
Zod, Superman, Supergirl, etc are certainly the most dangerous of the group thanks to their experience, but they are hardly the only ones 'worth mentioning'. Even assuming each Kryptonian is only 75% as powerful as Superman, that still makes them more powerful than all but one or two of the Imperial Guard, who are the most powerful beings the Sh'iar have.

As for technology, it remains to be seen just HOW advanced Kryptonian technology is on this occasion, but by all previous examples we have it's at least as advanced as what the Sh'iar have. Tesserect technology, the kryptonian war suit that Lex Luthor created in 'Up, up and Away", the Eradicator armor, devices that could kill Superman himself, planet wide energy fields that can keep away even Black Lanterns, plus the reverse engineered Brainiac technology that allowed them to build a planet out of nothing....

Yeah, I'd say that the Kryptonians have technology, if not numbers, not match the Shi'ar. Remember, at one point they had a vast empire, had conquered large swathes of the universe.

Okay im not shitting on K tech, i know its nice but Shairs have shown to be more impressive imo. Also none of those things you mentioned will protect them from a nega bomb or a black hole or having their nearby star go supernova.

Originally posted by 753
[B]Vulcan married into nobility and before that he was just wreaking havok and killing weaker members od the imperial guard, he did not face the entire collective might of the empire,

He faced and destroyed a number of their war ships, and fought the entire Imperial Guard, killing 4 or 5 of them (Neutron, Cosmo, Smasher, and Impulse ) and basically having the rest on the ropes. And this is the Shi'ars most POWERFUL fighting force, and not only did he nearly defeat them (had it not been for Gladiator), but he made it past all their defenses to get to throneworld. That kind of weakness is inexcusable, and something easily exploited.

And that's one guy, who is probably at or below Superman in overall power. One guy, where New Krypton has 100,000.

and got his ass handed to him by gladiator just the same. The kree were weakened and welcomed the inhumans.

And yet the Kree, weakened as they were, DEFEATED the Sh'iar as an empire. Yes, they were aligned with the Inhumans, but you've just attributed their 'defeat' by the Inhumans to their weakness after the Annihilation events. So what does that say about the Sh'iar?

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Okay im not shitting on K tech, i know its nice but Shairs have shown to be more impressive imo. Also none of those things you mentioned will protect them from a nega bomb or a black hole or having their nearby star go supernova.

The nearby star wasn't even on purpose, though. That's not a weapon, that was the unexpected result of them using Stargate technology.

I think you are underplaying Kryptonian tech, though, which allows planets to be moved. And you have no evidence that they couldn't come up with a containment field for a Black Hole -- Superman alone has shown the ability to do stuff like that, without any technology, and New Krypton itself created an energy field on the fly that protected them from all Black Lanterns.

Originally posted by Desaad
He faced and destroyed a number of their war ships, and fought the entire Imperial Guard, killing 4 or 5 of them (Neutron, Cosmo, Smasher, and Impulse ) and basically having the rest on the ropes. And this is the Shi'ars most POWERFUL fighting force, and not only did he nearly defeat them (had it not been for Gladiator), but he made it past all their defenses to get to throneworld. That kind of weakness is inexcusable, and something easily exploited.

And that's one guy, who is probably at or below Superman in overall power. One guy, where New Krypton has 100,000.

What can I say? The empire jobbed to Vulcan, as did everyone in his initial run. It truly was inexcusable, then again so is most of vulcan's story and concept. Still, as an energy manipulator without weaknesses to exploit he would probably do better than SM in this scenario like that.

Originally posted by Desaad
And yet the Kree, weakened as they were, DEFEATED the Sh'iar as an empire. Yes, they were aligned with the Inhumans, but you've just attributed their 'defeat' by the Inhumans to their weakness after the Annihilation events. So what does that say about the Sh'iar?

It says the krees had one bitching WMD thanks to BB and maximus, and that plot required the emo boyking to be put out of his misery, hopefully for good.

The Kree were taking the most damage in the war before that, as the shiar kept destroying their worlds.

Kryptonians have some good chances, but I dont see them as the favourites. If the manhunters are green martians, they would be a bigger than them in my opinion

Originally posted by Desaad
The nearby star wasn't even on purpose, though. That's not a weapon, that was the unexpected result of them using Stargate technology.

I think you are underplaying Kryptonian tech, though, which allows planets to be moved. And you have no evidence that they couldn't come up with a containment field for a Black Hole -- Superman alone has shown the ability to do stuff like that, without any technology, and New Krypton itself created an energy field on the fly that protected them from all Black Lanterns.

Im pretty sure they had a actual weapon that MADE stars go supernova.

Also Superman holding a Blackhole in his hand, well if we are going to use that I can say "Glads flies to krypton and makes the planet break apart in a couple of swings".

I think Kyrpton would put up a damn good fight but thats about it.

Even without the WMD of Black Bolt's suicide, it seemed like they were winning the war to me.

It occurs to me that as a small, single planet, the Kryptonians might actually have an ADVANTAGE, as they have very little they have to actually defend. With their tesserect technology, they could concievably place themselves in another dimension and attack from there, making them doubly difficult to take on.

For what it's worth, I'm not talking about Superman holding a Black Hole in his hand, since that is a little up in the air, but when he created the energy barrier around the chronal/universal anomaly, and the many times that he easily survived black holes. He's been doing it since early on in his career.

And maybe Glads WOULD be able to destroy a planet (though hardly in a few blows), but not one defended by a number of kryptonians with tons of weapons.

As for the Martians, I think their singular weakness is too common and too easy to exploit. At least with the Kryptonians they could wear body armor, but the Martians have fear of fire. Just seeing it could mess them up.

Plus their technology wasn't all that great.

do all of them have the fire panic? I thought it was retconned as a particular psichological phobia of MMH that he eventually overcame.

Nope. They all have it. It was retconned in that it's a result of the Guardians neutering them because, at one point, they were much more powerful/vicious and actually used fire as a means to reproduce a-sexually. They were basically unstoppable. Supposedly after the Fernus the Burning arc of JLA, Martian Manhunter's weakness changed so that he was only effected by fire that had to do with passion, but that ended up getting ignored.

So...long story short, all the martians were weak to flame.

Shi'ar...or skrulls.

Given time the skrulls could turn all of their people into supermen withou the weaknesses... Ie they created deadpool cronies that didn't have cancer... It's within their tech...

Imagine a planet full of supermen without weaknesses... Unleashed upon the universe......

If they could copy Thor. Beta Ray bill... Ms marvel.. Etc.. They can copy superman...

Originally posted by rotiart
Given time the skrulls could turn all of their people into supermen withou the weaknesses... Ie they created deadpool cronies that didn't have cancer... It's within their tech...

Imagine a planet full of supermen without weaknesses... Unleashed upon the universe......

If they could copy Thor. Beta Ray bill... Ms marvel.. Etc.. They can copy superman...

Originally posted by rotiart
Given time the skrulls could turn all of their people into supermen withou the weaknesses... Ie they created deadpool cronies that didn't have cancer... It's within their tech...

Imagine a planet full of supermen without weaknesses... Unleashed upon the universe......

If they could copy Thor. Beta Ray bill... Ms marvel.. Etc.. They can copy superman...

You know what, Thats actually possible. IMO CIS free Skulls should be able to replace key people in other people's armies and then start mass producing Kryptonians, Strontians, and whoever is uber out there.

If the Shi'ar used the Starcracker that they threatened the Strontians with on the Sun, the Kryptonians would be pretty dead, pretty fast. Just saying.

And yet the Kree, weakened as they were, DEFEATED the Sh'iar as an empire

As a race the poor Plodex don't get much respect.

Originally posted by Survivor19
Shi'ar weren't fighting only Kree. They were engaged on a LOT of different fronts at once (because Vulcan is an idiot).

That's the thing, last I checked Vulcan had the Shiar invade EVERYONE. Hi's resources were stretched thin. It's not like the Shiar can bring their entire military to bear since they have to keep peacekeeping squadron in the home front.

Meanwhile Zod sends squads of 100 Kryptonians to random locations and they wreak havok, or they phantom zone entire planets, or they make a braniac that is a Shiar bigot or something.

When push comes to shove, the martians an the kryptonians are the only ones whose home planet can't be destoyed because they are close to Earth, so they get a magical Earth aura protection. It's like the S shield but sexier.

Originally posted by -K-M-
As a race the poor Plodex don't get much respect.

What the **** is a plodex?