Franklin Richards vs. Jean Grey

Full power both and for jean that does include the pheniox.Whatever her most powerful for is.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Full power both and for jean that does include the pheniox.Whatever her most powerful for is.

White Phoenix IMO.

Originally posted by galactusischere
White Phoenix IMO.

How do you know that White Phoenix of the Crown is not vulnerable to reality warping powers?

Jean for mindrape

id have to side with the reality warping

Doesn't Franklin have to actually see Jean before he can recognise her as a threat?
Jean kills Franklin's mind from blocks away.

Originally posted by pinksushi1
How do you know that White Phoenix of the Crown is not vulnerable to reality warping powers?

She is too powerful for him. She is abstract level while Franky was said to be only average celestial level at best.

White phoenix holds univereses in her hands. Franklin richars creates pocket universes.

All there is to say is that she transcends reality

WF stomps on him.

Originally posted by galactusischere
She is too powerful for him. She is abstract level while Franky was said to be only average celestial level at best.

And even as a kid he has shown more power than most Celestials, not sure where it was said that is his limit anyway, seeing as he is an Omega.

Originally posted by Survivor19
Jean for mindrape

Originally posted by the ninjak
Doesn't Franklin have to actually see Jean before he can recognise her as a threat?
Jean kills Franklin's mind from blocks away.

You are both aware he has telepathy, right?

Originally posted by 753
White phoenix holds univereses in her hands. Franklin richars creates pocket universes.

All there is to say is that she transcends reality

WF stomps on him.

Yea, he did that as a kid, which isn't his full power.

Anyway, too much speculation as to where he'd be at full power.

Originally posted by Mindset
You are both aware he has telepathy, right?

Yea, he did that as a kid, which isn't his full power.

Anyway, too much speculation as to where he'd be at full power.

Without feats we can only wonder, so going by feast she takes it. IMO going by cosmic hierarchy it only makes sense that she takes it too. How would you say he compares to his son?

Originally posted by 753
Without feats we can only wonder

I thought that's what I said?

IMO going by cosmic hierarchy it only makes sense that she takes it too. How would you say he compares to his son?

Weaker imo.

Originally posted by Mindset
That is abstract level.

And even as a kid he has shown more power than most Celestials, not sure where it was said that is his limit anyway, seeing as he is an Omega.

Average celestials aren't abstract level 😬

Originally posted by galactusischere
Average celestials aren't abstract level 😬

What level are they?

FR has feats over average Celestials, which don't have feats.

Oh, I guess I answered my first question.

Originally posted by Mindset

Oh, I guess I answered my first question.

Uhh, Ashema the listener?

Originally posted by Mindset
I thought that's what I said? Cosmic hierarchy seems not to matter in these cases. MJJ, Wanda, Protege, etc.

Weaker imo.

Yeah I know, the point is that speculation isnt enough to claim he is more powefull than her.

I think the warpers trespassings are somewhat tolerated by the higher ups because they dont really matter in the grand scheme of things and what problems they do cause always end up solving themselves.

Going by hyperstorm's feats and history, I think she is above him as well.

Originally posted by pinksushi1
How do you know that White Phoenix of the Crown is not vulnerable to reality warping powers?

Originally posted by galactusischere
Uhh, Ashema the listener?

Originally posted by 753
Yeah I know, the point is that speculation isnt enough to claim he is more powefull than her.

I think the warpers trespassings are somewhat tolerated by the higher ups because they dont really matter in the grand scheme of things and what problems they do cause always end up solving themselves.

Going by hyperstorm's feats and history, I think she is above him as well.

I didn't know I claimed he was stronger than her, I thought I pretty much alluded to that very fact. Or were you just restating my point?

Those warpers were stronger than most of the cosmic hierarchy, the cosmics toleration of their existence didn't really matter.

I meant Hyperstorm was weaker, I should have clarified.

I thought your post implied you believe he can win.

Until there is actual evidence of him topping the white phoenix power levels and feats we can only assume he loses badly. Even if he realizes his potential and becomes a celestial level abstract, I believe WPOTC to be above that.