Originally posted by Evilbigfoot
Any Dragon Ball Z character>Bleach characters.
Not so!
There's Mr. Satan and Yajirobi. 😉
But any with power to speak of? Yes, totally yes. The huge blasts that 2nd Release Ulquiorra and Ichigo were tossing out, the strongest attacks we've seen in the series thus far? Krillan can toss those out like candy if he wanted to, all day.
If we assume Yamamoto can throw out blasts, say, 20 times as powerful, Krillan and Yamcha and Tien still stomp him effortlessly.
Bleach is the most powerful of the current big 3 series, but DBZ is still on an entirely different scale. Most shounen fight series doesn't get that powerful (late Yu Yu Hakusho compares to early DBZ, but that's about it).
Originally posted by Q99
Bleach is the most powerful of the current big 3 series, but DBZ is still on an entirely different scale. Most shounen fight series doesn't get that powerful (late Yu Yu Hakusho compares to early DBZ, but that's about it).
What? Think about what you are saying when you make such claims. One Piece has had city busting characters almost since the start of the series, and the showings are only getting more devastating. I can think of at least three different One Piece characters off of the top of my head that are literal island busters. Bleach barely has city busting attacks involved with it thus far.
Yamamoto wins this, easily.
It's no contest.
Yamamoto, with his Bankai, is a multi-verse buster.
Multi-verse >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>galaxy.
FACT!
Don't believe me? Yamamoto says he can't use his bankai, when he fought Shunsui and Ukitakki, because it would damage the multi-verse.
Also, Broli can't see Yamamoto because he's a soul reaper.
Pwned!
Originally posted by XanatosForever
What? Think about what you are saying when you make such claims. One Piece has had city busting characters almost since the start of the series, and the showings are only getting more devastating. I can think of at least three different One Piece characters off of the top of my head that are literal island busters. Bleach barely has city busting attacks involved with it thus far.
Lesse, I can think of Enel and Whitebeard... dunno about the third. Which one are you thinking of? Kizaru?
Some of the very top OP characters can compete with Bleach in some categories, but that kind of power is far more common in Bleach and Captains tend to be more well rounded than high-end OP characters.
Offense between the high OP characters and Bleach characters isn't that far apart in any case though, they both max out in more-or-less the same league. I don't think we've seen an attack that hits that does as much damage as those of second-form Ulquiorra, though Enel's ultimate attack presumably would do more and we didn't see with what he destroyed his own island, whether it was a single attack or just raining down the likes of what we saw.
The OP characters don't have the travel speed of Bleach characters except for Kizaru and Enel, flash step covers a lot more ground than the speed techniques in OP.
Even Whitebeard is vulnerable to guns (Logia users aren't, but not through shear toughness). Ichigo simply grabbed one of Ulquiorra's mega shots. So toughness pretty clearly goes to Bleach, with a minor exception in Logia being immune to a fair amount of things entirely.
So yea, I'd say Bleach is a bit above OP in the power charts. *Not* the same kind of gap that exists between either of them and DBZ, of course, they're far closer, but high-powered characters are more common in Bleach than OP, the normal scale is higher.
Although a lot of people with testify to this...I just have to put out this one fact.
Shaman King>>>>The big Shouen 3(One Piece, Naruto,Bleach). Especially towards the close of the manga.More specifically it kind of like this...
Hao Asakura>>>>>>>>>>>>>The top tier fighters of each of those three series. I'm not sure how they compare to the DBZ characters or Broly in general but he is a beast. Oh and One Piece does have better destruction feats than Bleach and is physically superior to bleach so DBZ shouldn't have any problems.
Hao is a beast.
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What are One Piece's best destruction feats? Especially aside from Enel? The blasts that Ulquiorra and Ichigo threw caused more area destruction than Whitebeard's quakes.
In speed and toughness, even moderately big hitters like shichibukai and vice admirals are below any of the Bleach captains. At most, only the top-top OPers can compare.
Originally posted by Q99
Lesse, I can think of Enel and Whitebeard... dunno about the third. Which one are you thinking of? Kizaru?Some of the very top OP characters can compete with Bleach in some categories, but that kind of power is far more common in Bleach and Captains tend to be more well rounded than high-end OP characters.
Offense between the high OP characters and Bleach characters isn't that far apart in any case though, they both max out in more-or-less the same league. I don't think we've seen an attack that hits that does as much damage as those of second-form Ulquiorra, though Enel's ultimate attack presumably would do more and we didn't see with what he destroyed his own island, whether it was a single attack or just raining down the likes of what we saw.
The OP characters don't have the travel speed of Bleach characters except for Kizaru and Enel, flash step covers a lot more ground than the speed techniques in OP.
Even Whitebeard is vulnerable to guns (Logia users aren't, but not through shear toughness). Ichigo simply grabbed one of Ulquiorra's mega shots. So toughness pretty clearly goes to Bleach, with a minor exception in Logia being immune to a fair amount of things entirely.
So yea, I'd say Bleach is a bit above OP in the power charts. *Not* the same kind of gap that exists between either of them and DBZ, of course, they're far closer, but high-powered characters are more common in Bleach than OP, the normal scale is higher.
I think you're taking the top showings from Bleach and not comparing them to the consistent standard showings from One Piece. At the start of the series Luffy was already powerful to fend off giant sea creatures solo, and he wasn't even close to using Gear or Haki.
There's been no situation where any of the Rokushiki users needed to attempt using Soru for long distances, so there's no way to really say they can't, and that doesn't mean that Soru wouldn't be fast enough to keep up with flash step.
Most of the Gotei 13's showings haven't even been building busters, with exceptions. The personality of the zanpaku-to and their wielders means that they won't always manifest as something capable of laying waste to an area. Going by spiritual pressure and comparison showings, I think it's safe to say that most, if not all, Gotei 13 high ranked officers are building busters, probably able to one-shot a small town.
How many traditional projectile weapons have you seen in Bleach? Just because Whitebeard, weakened to the brink of death and still managing to kick ass, was brought down by a hail of gunfire, it doesn't mean his durability is bad. Overall, the standard showings of OP have been consistently powerful and only getting stronger since the series began. If there's any reason that Bleach can keep up, it's because of the characters' tendencies to suddenly jump to a higher power level, and that really is mostly on Ichigo.
Luffy in like chapter four or something was able to go from the top of a Marine HQ to the ground and intercepted bullets from hitting Cobi and Zoro.
This is Luffy at the very start of the manga. Characters get much faster later on, with Kalifa, one of the weakest of CP9, being calced to be moving at about mach 9.
Enel was mentioned... Enel could solo nearly all of Bleach, other than Barragan and his rot powers, what does he have to fear from them? Ditto can be said with guys like Kizaru, Aokiji, Akainu... Shit, nearly any Logia.
Enel with Maxim completely disintegrated an island, no, not just the island, all of the sea clouds below it as well, and claimed the next one would do the same to all of Skypiea. Enel also before acquiring Maxim apparently destroyed his home island of Bilkan. Aokiji surrounded an entire island with ice and has create gigantic ice-bergs. Whitebeard casually devastated Marinford, which, fun fact, is far larger than the area Ulquiorra's blast hit. Blackbeard and Ace's blasts both covered half of the respective island they were one. And what about Kuma, when he single-handedly bested the Straw Hats with that gigantic blast?
Garp, Jozu, Whitebeard, Luffy, Magellan, Sentomaru, Jinbei, these are a few guys who are far more powerful physically than about any Bleach character.
OP is the strongest of the Big 3 shounen manga right now, with Bleach in second, and Naruto far behind both.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Enel was mentioned... Enel could solo nearly all of Bleach, other than Barragan and his rot powers, what does he have to fear from them? Ditto can be said with guys like Kizaru, Aokiji, Akainu... Shit, nearly any Logia.
Many Bleach attacks affect the soul.
Garp, Jozu, Whitebeard, Luffy, Magellan, Sentomaru, Jinbei, these are a few guys who are far more powerful physically than about any Bleach character.
Eh, I don't think that's been demonstrated. We saw Grimmjow and Kenpachi destroyed and tossing around massive stone columns very casually.
There's definitely no 'far more' happening.
Whitebeard casually devastated Marinford, which, fun fact, is far larger than the area Ulquiorra's blast hit.
I don't think so, the area he hit was kilometers across. And also, the areas he hit were gone, while Marineford is still there, just damaged and shook up.
In the latest chapter we were also told that just the flame Yamamoto had released earlier in the battle would destroy an area "exponentially greater" than the town. We also know Hitsugaya's snowflake of death move has a potential area effect of miles when used in shikai mode, let alone bankai.
Maxim I'll grant you, but that was a special charged attack, the others aren't above Bleach attacks. Their attacks max at more-or-less the same scale.
Originally posted by Q99Show me a single Bleach character "affecting the soul" besides Yammy's weak ass Gonzui. A Zanpakuto does not cut the soul, hell, souls are not even intangible in Bleach, Chad beat the shit out of one with a telephone pole.
Many Bleach attacks affect the soul.Eh, I don't think that's been demonstrated. We saw Grimmjow and Kenpachi destroyed and tossing around massive stone columns very casually.
There's definitely no 'far more' happening.
I don't think so, the area he hit was kilometers across. And also, the areas he hit were gone, while Marineford is still there, just damaged and shook up.
In the latest chapter we were also told that just the flame Yamamoto had released earlier in the battle would destroy an area "exponentially greater" than the town. We also know Hitsugaya's snowflake of death move has a potential area effect of miles when used in shikai mode, let alone bankai.
Maxim I'll grant you, but that was a special charged attack, the others aren't above Bleach attacks. Their attacks max at more-or-less the same scale.
We saw Jozu lift a million ton iceberg, and Garp throw a million+ ton cannonball, Sengoku can physically restrain Garp and can become even stronger with his fruit. We have seen Luffy level entire palaces physically. Magellan stopped Gear 3 Luffy's attack with one hand. Whitebeard physically killed a giant in a single punch and treated Blackbeard like a vagina. Sentomaru... I cannot actually remember what he can do, lawl.
Whitebeard casually did this, as if he was just pulling some blinds down.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/564/08-09/
Compare that to the area Ulq's blast covered... Which did not destroy anything by the way.
Yamamoto is an exception, and the single most destructive character in Bleach just far, he is pretty leet.
I think it unfair to compare One Piece to Bleach in physical power. Its just as bad as saying Gai from Naruto owns Garp and Whitebeard at the same time. I really hope I'm not struck by lightning for that statement.
But moving on! Ulquiorra's mini-nuke made a crater somewhere out in the desert.....that's something right? And Yamamoto's is apparently a city buster so that's something to look at.
You can blast me with fact for this statement right here but Hao craps on most of One Piece's feats.(That's right I said it)
Show me a single Bleach character "affecting the soul" besides Yammy's weak ass Gonzui. A Zanpakuto does not cut the soul, hell, souls are not even intangible in Bleach, Chad beat the shit out of one with a telephone pole.
Chad has spiritual power he was channeling, even before it fully manifested as an arm. Yea, they're physical to other soul-stuff, but that's part of the point. Every time someone who's a soul reaper or hollow is being cut, that's their soul. We see them leave their bodies behind often enough, and their normal forms are made of soul-particles.
Zanpaku-to literally means soul-cutter sword.
It's a central premise of the series.
(Plus there's enough funky zanpaku-to powers, some of 'em are bound to work on various Logia).
Originally posted by NemeBro
Compare that to the area Ulq's blast covered... Which did not destroy anything by the way.
It blew a huge hole in the giant stone dome on a glancing hit, in a lesser form.
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/347/06/
That dome is multi-kilometers across, so that's a lotta mass destroyed.
The latter one, that missed, made a blast almost the size of the city and did blow up some plateau things that might've been huge buildings or natural formations that were caught in it's area. It wasn't just empty desert that was hit.