Originally posted by Omega Vision
Kryptonite had no effect on Prime since his Universe's Krypton never exploded, in fact that just made Superman's defeat of Prime all the more impressive because he was in unimaginable pain at the time.
It also shows that Superman can be stronger than SBP in dire situations.
Yo.
Originally posted by falcon_shot
but still superboy prime is suppose to be much stronger then superman
under normal circumstances, sure.
these werent them.
Originally posted by falcon_shot
and this is superman owning prime so prime had to use kryptonitehttp://frankensteinsninja.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/supermanic.jpg
so basically superman is stronger then superboy prime?
2 un-powered kryptonians fighting, and 1 using the k-rock.....as a ROCK.
makes sense actually.
Originally posted by falcon_shot
and this is flash owning primehttp://media.photobucket.com/image/superboy%20prime%20vs/aarons24/superman%20prime/aaloutbart.jpg
is prime good for anything?
Bart hurt himself doing that actually......
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Kryptonite had no effect on Prime since his Universe's Krypton never exploded, in fact that just made Superman's defeat of Prime all the more impressive because he was in unimaginable pain at the time.
actually, it has more to do w/not being a native to that universe, and as such no other universe's k-rock would affect him.
Tazer
Originally posted by Galan007
I disagree with your opinion that Prime is faster, due mainly to the fact that Gog had absolutely no problem tracking, and blasting, KC Flash:
http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/237/gog1.jpg
Originally posted by Galan007
Furthermore, even when Rip stepped in between nanoseconds to try a sneak attack, Gog still effortlessly tracked/grabbed him:
http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/4710/gog2.jpg
http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/1034/gog3.jpg
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/4422/gog4a.jpg
*shrug* What do you think?
Originally posted by Galan007
As for Gog's offensive capabilities, not only was he able to own numerous versions of Superman throughout Hypertime (including KC), but the power of a dozen red suns was among the numerous exotic powers his staff housed:
http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/2871/gog5.jpg
Originally posted by EnyalusIt was still *a* Flash -- *a* Flash who was traveling fast enough to energize the particles in front of him as he moved. Aside from that, almost every Flash (even Jay) has blitzed Prime. That was my main point there.
We've done this one before. 😉 That's not KC Flash. Nevertheless, I took that scan into consideration when posting my 'faster than' comment, and stand by it. I mean, Bart had to absorb the entire Speed Force just to outrace Prime. And Prime breaking out of the Speed Force under his own power makes him automatically faster than light. And there's no way of knowing how fast Flash was traveling in that panel, but its safe to say it was not lightspeed or higher.
Light speed is the speed required to enter the SF -- never heard of a speed requirement to exit it, though..? In fact, I remember one instance in which a Flash (can remember which one) entered the SF and was able to return home simply by thinking it, because he had strong enough of an emotional anchor.
mmm
Regardless, Prime does not have the battle speed to harm Gog. Imo.
Originally posted by EnyalusMeh, Rip was still stepping in between nanoseconds, yet Gog (while simultaneously battling several others) still spotted and snagged him. I think that denotes superior speed, especially when you consider Rip's comment just before attempting the sneak attack: "no one's ever bothered to clock Gog's speed... But if I use the power of these wrist bands to step in between nanoseconds, I have to be faster than him":
I actually forgot about that, so...I have a weak rationalization. See if you buy it: While its true that Rip stepped between nanoseconds, he wasn't using it in an offensive, speedblitz-like manner. He's trying to sneak up on him. And we know that Gog controls his alternate bodies transtemporally and has control over time to a limited degree via Hypertime, so those scans to me don't necessarily prove that Gog has faster-than-nanosecond reaction time.*shrug* What do you think?
Originally posted by EnyalusPrime is quite weak to red sun radiation, though -- it's his Achilles' heel:
Yup. But it didn't put down all the alternate Supermen in one-hit, so I feel safe in assuming it won't drop Prime in a single hit. Then again, me giving Prime the win hinges on him being faster than Gog and not taking any hits. Aside from that, though, and as you know - Prime's HV is powerful enough to go right through mainstream Superman, so his energy output packs quite a punch, too.
Now multiply those physical red sun radiation attacks by a factor of 12, and then concentrate them into an energy blast... Just saying.
As for Prime's HV -- Gog could likely absorb it, imo:
Originally posted by Galan007
It was still *a* Flash -- *a* Flash who was traveling fast enough to energize the particles in front of him as he moved. Aside from that, almost every Flash (even Jay) has blitzed Prime. That was my main point there.
Originally posted by Galan007
Light speed is the speed required to enter the SF -- never heard of a speed requirement to exit it, though..? In fact, I remember one instance in which a Flash (can remember which one) entered the SF and was able to return home simply by thinking it, because he had strong enough of an emotional anchor.
mmm
But hey, Barry Allen raced out of the SF. So did Max Mercury with Barry's help. So its not impossible to race your way out of it (hell, Bart did it too when absorbing the entire thing.) Point is, you have to be going bloody damn fast to do it. And if it requires you to being going lightspeed or just higher than lightspeed to enter it, it stands to reason you'd need to do that or faster to exit.
Originally posted by Galan007 [b]
Meh, Rip was still stepping in between nanoseconds, yet Gog (while simultaneously battling several others) still spotted and snagged him. I think that denotes superior speed, especially when you consider Rip's comment just before attempting the sneak attack: "no one's ever bothered to clock Gog's speed... But if I use the power of these wrist bands to step in between nanoseconds, I have to be faster than him."
Originally posted by Galan007
Prime is quite weak to red sun radiation, though -- it's his Achilles' heel:
http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/10/25/1539595/primvs7.jpgNow multiply those physical red sun radiation attacks by a factor of 12, and then concentrate them into an energy blast... Just saying.
Originally posted by Galan007
As for Prime's HV -- Gog could likely absorb it, imo:
Originally posted by EnyalusNot sure... And WAY too lazy to look lol.
Didn't he outrace Bart to the Fortress in Lo3W?
Originally posted by EnyalusM'kay, but Prime was supposedly trapped under a red sun for years before he got out. Having said that, I find it extremely hard to believe that he would have been able to to exit said prison under his own power, and at FTL speeds no less... In fact, I don't believe that at all.
But hey, Barry Allen raced out of the SF. So did Max Mercury with Barry's help. So its not impossible to race your way out of it (hell, Bart did it too when absorbing the entire thing.) Point is, you have to be going bloody damn fast to do it. And if it requires you to being going lightspeed or just higher than lightspeed to enter it, it stands to reason you'd need to do that or faster to exit.
Originally posted by EnyalusHe's never felt anything like teh staff powa before. 😉
Yeah. He also took multiple red sun blasts from Sun Boys. I know it hurts him. But that just pisses him off. Ala like Monarch's blasts hurting him did. He didn't go down from them. He just got madder.
Originally posted by EnyalusHeh, my external hard drive is PLUGGED IN, and I still can't conjure the energy to look up that issue.
I just had this convo with Big C in PM. My backup hard drive is on the other side of the room, and I'm way too lazy to grab it, drag it over here and plug it in. 😂
That is a whole different level of laziness. 😮
Originally posted by EnyalusYou really think Gog can't touch him? He is much faster and his reactionary feats blow Prime's out of the water.
Prime wins. Gog can't touch him IMO and can't avoid getting his head taken off with planet-pushing and destroying strength.
Originally posted by falcon_shotThe kingdom.
based on?
Originally posted by xJLxKingI don't think you know who kindgom gog is.
Prime wins
