Originally posted by Original Smurph
1.5 - 1.75x would be noticeable...
I dont think the gap is that big. If we were using marvel scale, I would put Diana (not saying she lift this much because we know she lift a lot more, just giving an example) at 95 tons and Superman at 100 tons. Not that big of a difference if you ask me.
Originally posted by Omega VisionAgreed- I was just replying to Carver.
And it is noticeable, just not insurmountable for Diana.
It should be mentioned though that comics often shorten the gap between average man and average woman strength. Look at all the shit that Elektra does for example.
While I would argue that, say, Cap was stronger than Elektra, I wouldn't put it at the same distance between average men and women, despite gender being a contributing factor.
Additionally, while Kal's strength levels are pretty much always above Diana's, they fluctuate to the degree that it's unrealistic to estimate just how much stronger with any guaranteed accuracy. It's also not like Diana's strength limits haven't changed drastically over the years.
Meh, just my two cents.
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At times things moved a tad slowly but overall I liked where she was going and you could tell she actually liked writing WW. And some WW fans are just rabid. She's not as strong as Superman. Get over it. It's not the end of the world. It doesn't make her less of a character. It doesn't keep her from fighting him well. And she has better hair anyway so who needs a little more strength?
And to make up for it? She has all that kickass gear.
I mean, people have no problem saying Capt's shield is a big equalizer, and she has two on her wrists, and that's just for starters.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
The way I see it their strength difference is proportional: Superman is stronger by about as much as a man his size would be when compared to a woman Diana's size if both were athletic. At most 1.5-1.75x Diana's strength.
Though if you think about it, their strength isn't really determined by muscle. Superman is stronger by how much a fully developed Kryptonian's strength (well, I guess that's slightly muscle based, since the solar charge is in the muscles) is compared to the gifts given to her by the gods.
Body shape affects leverage and such a bit, but the real differences at high-level characters are more in the 'how super are they' category.
Originally posted by Q99
And to make up for it? She has all that kickass gear.I mean, people have no problem saying Capt's shield is a big equalizer, and she has two on her wrists, and that's just for starters.
I agree. I don't think her gear gets factored in enough in her fights. That is just her standard gear. If we start adding more equip, she becomes very, very hard to take down. And she happens to be the greatest warrior in the DCU. Not like that means anything . . .
Originally posted by Sasaraixx
I agree. I don't think her gear gets factored in enough in her fights. That is just her standard gear. If we start adding more equip, she becomes very, very hard to take down. And she happens to be the greatest warrior in the DCU. Not like that means anything . . .
I agree. Standardized gear Diana is tough enough. Start adding her sword, axe, gauntlets, armor, etc, and it can become something of a spite match easily depending on whose she's up against.
I think the gauntlet puts her above High Herald, it's the most broken piece of gear, but just armor/axe/Sword of Hephaestus etc. is enough for high-herald. IMO.
The sword can slice up high-herald toughness easily and make larger wounds than the tiara, and the armor really ups her toughness and gets rid of the slicing weakness.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
She's at the very least upper limit High Herald with all gear, imo. I mean, Diana's strength and durability multiplied by 10? That alone warrants an upgrade to another tier.
I would agree with this. I really can't see many high heralds, without an amp of their own, who could beat her with all of her gear. None of them could do it physically though. It would have to be someone like Surfer using the power cosmic to its fullest.
Her base stats would be above high herald in my opinion. Let's just assume for the sake of argument (and ease of math) that standard Superman is twice as strong as standard WW. Even with that huge gap in strength, if Diana put on the gauntlets she would still be 5 times stronger than Superman. That is surely out of the herald category.
Originally posted by Sasaraixx
I would agree with this. I really can't see many high heralds, without an amp of their own, who could beat her with all of her gear. None of them could do it physically though. It would have to be someone like Surfer using the power cosmic to its fullest.Her base stats would be above high herald in my opinion. Let's just assume for the sake of argument (and ease of math) that standard Superman is twice as strong as standard WW. Even with that huge gap in strength, if Diana put on the gauntlets she would still be 5 times stronger than Superman. That is surely out of the herald category.
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Originally posted by Q99
I think the gauntlet puts her above High Herald, it's the most broken piece of gear, but just armor/axe/Sword of Hephaestus etc. is enough for high-herald. IMO.The sword can slice up high-herald toughness easily and make larger wounds than the tiara, and the armor really ups her toughness and gets rid of the slicing weakness.
That is another great way of putting it. If she geared up for battle, sans gauntlet, I think she would be high herald. The durability boost would really help her against others in that class and the sword negates any need for to KO some of the uber durable bricks.
Originally posted by Sasaraixx
Hehehehe, some of them really do hate Gail don't they?McDuffie tried to elevate WW's status and he write a wonderful WW in the JL movie. I think a lot of fans didn't wanted him on her solo book though. I just appreciate that he actually attempts to show her as powerful and just as capable as the other big hitters. Now THAT is the fanboy in me
I liked Gail's run. At times things moved a tad slowly but overall I liked where she was going and you could tell she actually liked writing WW. And some WW fans are just rabid. She's not as strong as Superman. Get over it. It's not the end of the world. It doesn't make her less of a character. It doesn't keep her from fighting him well. And she has better hair anyway so who needs a little more strength? 😄 😎
Oh, and as for this fight, WW wins. She works for it, but wins an overwhelming majority.
in the JLU movie, the main problem for me wasn't that he made Diana good, but he had to go and make everyone else look bad in order to make her look more impressive.
That's NOT how you do it.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
The way I see it their strength difference is proportional: Superman is stronger by about as much as a man his size would be when compared to a woman Diana's size if both were athletic. At most 1.5-1.75x Diana's strength.
i think under normal circumstances, the strength difference is there, but isn't exactly large. when he stops holding back/gets amped, though...
Originally posted by Q99
And to make up for it? She has all that kickass gear.I mean, people have no problem saying Capt's shield is a big equalizer, and she has two on her wrists, and that's just for starters.
Though if you think about it, their strength isn't really determined by muscle. Superman is stronger by how much a fully developed Kryptonian's strength (well, I guess that's slightly muscle based, since the solar charge is in the muscles) is compared to the gifts given to her by the gods.
Body shape affects leverage and such a bit, but the real differences at high-level characters are more in the 'how super are they' category.
Originally posted by -Pr-
in the JLU movie, the main problem for me wasn't that he made Diana good, but he had to go and make everyone else look bad in order to make her look more impressive.That's NOT how you do it.
I disagree with that slightly. I don't think the other characters were made to look bad so that she could shine. I do think her fight scenes were written more competently, but that is different in my book. I also don't think Hal and Wally looked bad at all - they just didn't get much screen time. Clark and Bruce? That's another story. And her strength was displayed a bit all over the place too so it wasn't all roses for WW fans, but definitely more positives.
And if I'm being honest, if that really is what happened, I don't care. The roles have been reversed so often. Don't even get me started on the JLU series.
You're correct that it should not be done this way, but he and others continue to do it.