Batgirl (Cass) vs Bronze Tiger

Who wins?

Bronze Tiger

Cassandra, Tiger bows to her as the superior fighter.

Cassandra Cain.

Originally posted by Q99
Cassandra, Tiger bows to her as the superior fighter.

Cassandra beats BT like Shiva did.

Cassie 7/10

I'd say BT......when he fought slade they were pretty even due to his ma skill, but slade has fought cassie and simply toyed with her in the past........he's even taken her on along with a team of titans.

And Shiva made BT look like a chump.

Cassie snapped Shiva's neck and killed her.

ABC blah blah blah

Originally posted by namorsubby
I'd say BT......when he fought slade they were pretty even due to his ma skill, but slade has fought cassie and simply toyed with her in the past........he's even taken her on along with a team of titans.

What? Cass has gotten draws with Slade on numerous occasions (Slade has never gotten a win against her), and when he fought the Titans, he didn't match up against her, he mostly fought with his kids.

Btw, when I say "BT bows to Cassandra in skill," I mean, they met, he literally bowed out of respect.

Turner was also one of her trainers when she was a kid.

Cass beating Shiva is more to with CIS and some twisted motherly love than Cass being superior IMO.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Cass beating Shiva is more to with CIS and some twisted motherly love than Cass being superior IMO.

Eh, whatever else, Shiva does also love to have an opportunity to give her all in a fight. And it's two wins.

It's not like Cassandra doesn't perform just as well against other top-tiers. Draws against Slade, has a slight edge against Bruce when they spar, loses to... well, pretty much only metas.

I like Turner 6/10.

He has been mishandled on several occasions.

The Bronze Tiger that decimated Batman in a few panels should be the standard.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Cass beating Shiva is more to with CIS and some twisted motherly love than Cass being superior IMO.

Not true. They've fought multiple times, at least 4 or 5, and Cassie still has the majority on wins even though she spent time depowered during some fights.

Originally posted by Konton
Not true. They've fought multiple times, at least 4 or 5, and Cassie still has the majority on wins even though she spent time depowered during some fights.

And Shiva was still her biological mother in everyone of them...

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
And Shiva was still her biological mother in everyone of them...

And conversely, Cassandra was not trying to kill her in all but one of them.

Shiva seemed to speak of the fact that Cass actually managed that in glowing terms. Sandy doesn't seem to think she was holding back.

Plus, there is her showings against Bruce, and Slade, and pretty much everyone else.

Can Batgirl beat Batman like BT did?

I'll note, Batman at the time of that defeat was not written as strong in martial arts as he later was. Considering that years past in-plot, it's not surprising, especially after encountering fighters like Tiger.

So no, not that easy, but she could still do so.

Originally posted by Q99
I'll note, Batman at the time of that defeat was not written as strong in martial arts as he later was. Considering that years past in-plot, it's not surprising, especially after encountering fighters like Tiger.

So no, not that easy, but she could still do so.

Didn't pre-crisis Batman have a photographic memory, making it easier to learn MA's?

I dunno.

I think Bruce could overpower Cass.

Cass has the skill and speed maybe, but they're about on par with reflexes, and Bats has the strength.