Wolverine vs Iron Fist

Originally posted by ruber_fist
so wait a second if both daredevil and hulk will punch wolverine in the kidny you are saying that daredevil will hurt him more?

No, I'm saying Hulk won't hit him in the kidney because one, Hulk is not a tenth as skilled and is lucky to get a hit period, and two, Hulk's hands are *huge*, he'll hit ribcage and pelvis at the same time and not get a good kidney blow.

Now, if you used Thor as an example, that'd be better. If Thor punched Wolverine's kidney, his fist would go right through and then Logan'll lay there regenerating for quite awhile. That doesn't mean Daredevil's *wouldn't* hurt, it's still flesh! It's just that Thor's would do so in one short whereas Matt'll have to hit a bunch of organs before Wolverine's out.

The point is, Logan's flesh is not super tough (well, maybe a *little*, but not enough to not be fleshy). Where he takes a hit matters a ton, and he is small enough and good enough that most bricks are not going to get the kind of hits that Daredevil and Iron Fist can. But the idea that Logan's organs and flesh can't be hurt by peak human people? Not true. Same with the idea that doing such damage enough won't leave him in rough shape.

But if they hit exclusively at the adamantium parts, they'd do even less than the strong ones. Heck, they'd do approximately jack squat, the only thing that'd happen if Matt or Danny punched Wolverine in the rib cage for a half hour is they'd have broken hands. Even if the Iron Fist was used. Because that's how it works.

The truck vs the baseball bat to the kidney? If the area surrounding the kidney is adamantium? Totally the baseball bat. Because the truck will be stopped before it gets to the kidney, because the adamantium blocks for it, while the bat will hit just the kidney and no adamantium. And adamantium absorbs momentum by the truck full.

The comics have demonstrated on countless occasions that Wolverine's flesh is, indeed, flesh. This isn't some major news that needs to be proven, we all know this stuff.

Originally posted by Q99

No, I'm saying Hulk won't hit him in the kidney because one, Hulk is not a tenth as skilled and is lucky to get a hit period, and two, Hulk's hands are *huge*, he'll hit ribcage and pelvis at the same time and not get a good kidney blow.

Now, if you used Thor as an example, that'd be better. If Thor punched Wolverine's kidney, his fist would go right through and then Logan'll lay there regenerating for quite awhile. That doesn't mean Daredevil's *wouldn't* hurt, it's still flesh! It's just that Thor's would do so in one short whereas Matt'll have to hit a bunch of organs before Wolverine's out.

The point is, Logan's flesh is not super tough (well, maybe a *little*, but not enough to not be fleshy). Where he takes a hit matters a ton, and he is small enough and good enough that most bricks are not going to get the kind of hits that Daredevil and Iron Fist can. But the idea that Logan's organs and flesh can't be hurt by peak human people? Not true. Same with the idea that doing such damage enough won't leave him in rough shape.

But if they hit exclusively at the adamantium parts, they'd do even less than the strong ones. Heck, they'd do approximately jack squat, the only thing that'd happen if Matt or Danny punched Wolverine in the rib cage for a half hour is they'd have broken hands. Even if the Iron Fist was used. Because that's how it works. [/B]

Lol at you dont you get it? even if hulk will punch wolverines chest his kidny will be far more damaged then being hit by daredevil in the kidny precisely dont you get it yet? as i said before its like comparing being hit by a baseball bat in the kidny or being hit by a track in that area

daredevil is not thor, captain america is no thor and iron fist is no thor so this argument is invalid because what ever damage the street levelers will give wolverine it will heal right away hell even if wolverine will just be standing and let the street levelers hit him as hard and fast they want it still wont make any damage because he will heal faster then the damage would be done just watch his fight vs spider-man where spider-man punched him as hard and fast as he could and nothing because wolverine is a healer with adamantium skeleton todeflect and absorb most of the impact and if it wasa non PIS then guys like daredevil should damage there hands while hitting wolverine

Originally posted by Q99

The truck vs the baseball bat to the kidney? If the area surrounding the kidney is adamantium? Totally the baseball bat. Because the truck will be stopped before it gets to the kidney, because the adamantium blocks for it, while the bat will hit just the kidney and no adamantium. And adamantium absorbs momentum by the truck full.

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when you hit the kidny you also hit part of the skeleton you cant hit the kidny alone you either hit part of the ribs or the waist bone but you will hit a bone wolverine is small in size he is no hulk so daredevil cant hit any organs without hiting his skeleton unless its the throat or balls, and also youare wrong about the truck because the impact from the truck alone would cause more damage then the baseball bat which will also hit part of your skeleton, if you wear an adamantium vest and a f^ckin truck will hit you all your organs inside would explode because the vest is attached to your body and the trauma is spreading inside your body its not as if you are inside of an adamantium cage

Originally posted by ruber_fist
Lol at you dont you get it? even if hulk will punch wolverines chest his kidny will be far more damaged then being hit by daredevil in the kidny precisely dont you get it yet? as i said before its like comparing being hit by a baseball bat in the kidny or being hit by a track in that area

Except the "truck's" momentum is survived because of the adamantium, which can take impacts of *any* amount. The bat doesn't have to deal with it, so it can still cause harm even though the truck isn't an insta kill.

That's how Adamantium works. Didn't you know that? His kidneys and so on won't be damaged at all from a blow that hits his chest, so much of it is handled by his skeleton. Mostly he's just rattled all over but the skeleton protects.

That's what I'm saying, where you hit matters. The effects of hitting where there's adamantium and where there isn't is drastically different, and the opponents rely on that.

Also, it's not like the martial artists take him down with one hit, they do so with multiple hits. Class 100s who get multiple hits drop him too, but it's purely from the secondary effects of striking him with the bulk cancelled out by the adamantium, while the MAs hit primary targets repeatedly without having to deal with it.

daredevil is not thor, captain america is no thor and iron fist is no thor so this argument is invalid because what ever damage the street levelers will give wolverine it will heal right

It will heal, but it'll still have an effect. Wolverine can be worn down by repeat damage like that.

What I'm saying is if Thor landed the kind of punch DD and such do he'd be one-shotted with a hole strait through him, but it still hurts for them just to be damaged without that. You do not need to be Thor to do damage that way, it hurts Wolverine.

Don't forget, rupture an organ and it heals in 5 seconds, but there's blood released into the system. Gut shot, biles that needs to be cleaned. Lungs, there's fluid in them now. All take time to recover and filter out. Wolverine gets tired. Aimed shots cause more effect.

if it wasa non PIS then guys like daredevil should damage there hands while hitting wolverine

Except, of course, they're focusing on the non-adamantium parts, thus protecting their hands and maximizing their damage at the same time.

You do realize he's not covered in adamantium everywhere, right?

Do you think it's PIS that the guy from Breakworld cut open Logan's guts in Astonishing X-men?

Not all hits are aimed equally, not all targets on Logan are created equal. Martial artists can hurt his fleshy parts as has been shown on countless occasions, with no contradicting evidence to my knowledge. It's not PIS, it's simply that he uses Adamantium to survive heavy hits, but he can be hit without hitting adamantium.

Originally posted by Q99
Except the "truck's" momentum is survived because of the adamantium, which can take impacts of *any* amount. The bat doesn't have to deal with it, so it can still cause harm even though the truck isn't an insta kill.

That's how Adamantium works. Didn't you know that? His kidneys and so on won't be damaged at all from a blow that hits his chest, so much of it is handled by his skeleton. Mostly he's just rattled all over but the skeleton protects.

That's what I'm saying, where you hit matters. The effects of hitting where there's adamantium and where there isn't is drastically different, and the opponents rely on that.

Also, it's not like the martial artists take him down with one hit, they do so with multiple hits. Class 100s who get multiple hits drop him too, but it's purely from the secondary effects of striking him with the bulk cancelled out by the adamantium, while the MAs hit primary targets repeatedly without having to deal with it.

It will heal, but it'll still have an effect. Wolverine can be worn down by repeat damage like that.

What I'm saying is if Thor landed the kind of punch DD and such do he'd be one-shotted with a hole strait through him, but it still hurts for them just to be damaged without that. You do not need to be Thor to do damage that way, it hurts Wolverine.

Don't forget, rupture an organ and it heals in 5 seconds, but there's blood released into the system. Gut shot, biles that needs to be cleaned. Lungs, there's fluid in them now. All take time to recover and filter out. Wolverine gets tired. Aimed shots cause more effect.

Except, of course, they're focusing on the non-adamantium parts, thus protecting their hands and maximizing their damage at the same time.

You do realize he's not covered in adamantium everywhere, right?

Do you think it's PIS that the guy from Breakworld cut open Logan's guts in Astonishing X-men?

Not all hits are aimed equally, not all targets on Logan are created equal. Martial artists can hurt his fleshy parts as has been shown on countless occasions, with no contradicting evidence to my knowledge. It's not PIS, it's simply that he uses Adamantium to survive heavy hits, but he can be hit without hitting adamantium.

so how would you explain WWH punching him in the head causing his brain to be damaged? because even if the adamantium absorb the impact the impact still is very powerful and can damage the organs inside the body thats why wolverines brain was damaged when WWH hit him in the head

you are saying that daredevil will hit him repedeatly until there will be damage? did it acure to you that wolverine might i dont know... HEAL between each and each hit landed on him leaving his body untouched between any hit? first of all dont use your thor example as a fact if you want then try to prove a hit from thor will cause him something like that because he took hits without that much effect before from namor and it didnt effect him the way you describe thor will soagain as i said a street level martial artist wont be able to hurt wolverine because first of all the damage will be minimal for someone with wolverine durability who is after all a low class super human, second of all his healing factor which will heal him right away from the minimal damage a punch from peak human at best can give him and of course his adamantium skeleton which will absorb most of the impace

what areas can the MA guys hit that arent covered by adamantium? his entire face and head is covered, his entire body is covered so where can they hit him? throat? kidny(covered half by ribs and waist bones)? again it wont effect him as he can take a much worse punishment as was stated in comics while you are trying to down play wolverine into a normal human states wont work for you

Originally posted by ruber_fist

what areas can the MA guys hit that arent covered by adamantium? his entire face and head is covered, his entire body is covered so where can they hit him? throat? kidny(covered half by ribs and waist bones)?

The kidney is exposed, have you learnt anatomy or are you just making stuff up and hope no one will call you out on it?

All his organs in the abdomen are also vulnerable. Also the groin, throat (why you mentioned this I have no idea as it goes against you), eyes, and most importantly, all nerves remain exposed.

Originally posted by Placidity
The kidney is exposed, have you learnt anatomy or are you just making stuff up and hope no one will call you out on it?

All his organs in the abdomen are also vulnerable. Also the groin, throat (why you mentioned this I have no idea as it goes against you), eyes, and most importantly, all nerves remain exposed.

i already mentioned that he groin which i called balls and his throat is all open and exposed but when you hit the kidny you either touch therib cage or the waist bone its a fact and as i stated before even with thefact that some of his organs can be hit it wont matter because he got the healing factor to deal with it and if someone like namor hulk sasquatch wendigo couldnt damage his organs no street leveler is going to tickle him

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What Placidity said. There's this big area between the bottom of the ribcage and the pelvis, the kidney is quite exposed. You can hit it from the side or rear. It's a fairly nasty punch, causes a lot of pain. Used in boxing not too rarely, so Matt should be an expert at using it.

Also exposed in addition to Placidity's list: diaphragm (for breathing), liver, plenty of areas rich in blood like the intestines. Rupture some of the areas of the guts and bile gets loose in the system, which can be fatal if untreated in normal people, but in Wolverine it's going to give his system a lot of cleanup so he's still not going to like it.

If you can get between the ribs, there's also the lungs and heart. If Danny did an 'iron fingerpoke', that'd work.

even with thefact that some of his organs can be hit it wont matter because he got the healing factor to deal with it

That heals it up, but he's still hurt and he still is affected by it. That's been shown often enough, that's why he looks really exhausted after a fight.

Doing damage to those area and then having them healed up still eats away at his endurance. It's still causing blood from leaving where it's supposed to be and ending up in parts of the body where it's doing no good and giving more for his system to handle.

so how would you explain WWH punching him in the head causing his brain to be damaged? because even if the adamantium absorb the impact the impact still is very powerful and can damage the organs inside the body thats why wolverines brain was damaged when WWH hit him in the head

Pure shockwave can do it, transmitted through the tissue. His brain can get rattled.

The point is, adamantium greatly reduces the effect. He can be hurt by being hit in the adamantium areas, even KOed, but it takes a lot.

He can also be hurt by being hit in the non-adamantium areas, but it takes a heck of a lot less. So a martial artist can win by hitting in those areas enough and causing enough damage in those to wear him out enough to drop.

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Originally posted by Q99
What Placidity said. There's this big area between the bottom of the ribcage and the pelvis, the kidney is quite exposed. You can hit it from the side or rear. It's a fairly nasty punch, causes a lot of pain. Used in boxing not too rarely, so Matt should be an expert at using it.

Also exposed in addition to Placidity's list: diaphragm (for breathing), liver, plenty of areas rich in blood like the intestines. Rupture some of the areas of the guts and bile gets loose in the system, which can be fatal if untreated in normal people, but in Wolverine it's going to give his system a lot of cleanup so he's still not going to like it.

If you can get between the ribs, there's also the lungs and heart. If Danny did an 'iron fingerpoke', that'd work.

That heals it up, but he's still hurt and he still is affected by it. That's been shown often enough, that's why he looks really exhausted after a fight.

Doing damage to those area and then having them healed up still eats away at his endurance. It's still causing blood from leaving where it's supposed to be and ending up in parts of the body where it's doing no good and giving more for his system to handle.

Pure shockwave can do it, transmitted through the tissue. His brain can get rattled.

The point is, adamantium greatly reduces the effect. He can be hurt by being hit in the adamantium areas, even KOed, but it takes a lot.

He can also be hurt by being hit in the non-adamantium areas, but it takes a heck of a lot less. So a martial artist can win by hitting in those areas enough and causing enough damage in those to wear him out enough to drop.

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when you hit the kidny area it is traped between both the rib cage and the waist bone you cant hit the kidny without hitting one of those bones thats a fact, using his fingers iron fist still wont be able to penetraye between wolverine ribs specially taking into acount that wolverine is small in size so his skeleton is smaller then the averege human being iron fist cant penetrate between his ribs with his fingers there isnt anough gep

how can it be healed up but still hurt? dude you are making things out of your ass prove and show me scans of wolverine being hit somewhere then after healing stated that its still hurt because that contredict the entire fact of being healed in the first place, so wolverine can heal out of getting burn getting explode by explosives getting his flash all burn to his skeleton and heal from a brain damage but he cant heal from daredevil punching his liver? 😆 😆 thats all there is to respond you about that, even if wolverine is exhausted from a fight it has nothing to do with him being injured but with his breathing when you fight your breath effecting you and while he has low super human stamina it still effects him unlike a wound that heals right away

we are returning to my question again... do you really think that the damage he resieve from dareveil straight to lets say his liver will be greater then the damage he recieve from being hit by hulk? even if hulk punch spreads thrue his entire body its stilla class 100 punch vs a peak human punch at best and i do mean at best and the shockwave and trauma from hulk punch will make his liver explode along with all his inside organs which he can deal with his healing factor , and both namor and spider-man who has normal size hands and there punch wont spread to the entire body as you stated with hulk and both punch much harder then your MA idiots punched logan in many places before and it didnt effect him at all at best being punched by namor sent him flying but nothing more then that so toasume a streel level MA guy will achieve something a super human striker could not achieve is retarded just think about it

Originally posted by Placidity
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what a dirty lier i sent you aprivate messege telling you to respond my post which you didnt and instead you choose to play tricks with me? pathetic

Originally posted by ruber_fist
what a dirty lier i sent you aprivate messege telling you to respond my post which you didnt and instead you choose to play tricks with me? pathetic

Lol who's the dirty liar?😆

Pathetic

you addited that private messege and you know it and thats very pathetic

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Thor stomps my mom with his midgard serpent