Originally posted by carver9Correct if I'm.....well, incorrect, but don't Thor and Beta Ray both possess Godly speed/reflexes? Which should be more than enough to surpass Logan's or Creed's?
On panel proof and speed showings. Get rid of logan and sabes speed and agility and this would be a stomp in Thor and Bills favor.
Originally posted by Starscream M
yet thor even admits onpanel logan is too fast for him.
That was a low showing.
Superman once fought a street level opponent named Shadowdragon. He could not lay a hand on him and even admitted Shadowdragon was too fast. That same Shadowdragon was beaten down by Lady Shiva pretty handily as I recall.
Do we see people take that as a clear representation of Superman's speed? No they don't. Logical fans realize that when a character that is much, much stronger than an opponent, that opponent would clearly have his other attributes played up. It's the only way for that opponent to survive.
I mean it was obvious when the writer said it was going to Thor's strength and power against Logan's speed and stealth.
And I think Thor meant to say Logan was faster than he thought (The statement that was cut off.). He definitely showed that he can counter his speed when he has to.
Originally posted by Starscream MYes, because he was interrupted before he could finish his sentence... which was, "He is faster than I-- [thought]." Which is exemplified by Wolveirne not being fast enough to dodge Thor managing to grab his ankle, toss him... and in fact, bashing him with Mjolnir when he was on his back. Clearly.
how asinine of you to input your own preconceived notions into the dialogue...we should all be so presumptuous
Sorry if I trampled upon your dreams. They weren't really worth it anyway. peaches
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
lol?So, basically, who has Thor beat with superspeed that's essentially a carbon copy of Logan/Sabes? Because any other being with superspeed "doesn't count" because it's a "different" kind of speed?
Again...
lol?
Like I said, none of them use their speed in the fashion Wolverine does, agility/speed/martial arts/and coordination.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0so you could read thor's mind now? is that one of your gifts, able to divine the unspoken thoughts of comic book characters? my, I'm envious...
Yes, because he was interrupted before he could finish his sentence... which was, "He is faster than I-- [thought]."and in fact, managed to grab his ankle, toss him... and in fact, bashed him with Mjolnir when he was on his back. Clearly.Sorry if I trampled upon your dreams. They weren't really worth it anyway. peaches
surely, it couldn't have been
"he is faster than I am"
"he is faster than I can react to"
"he is faster than I have faced before"
etc
Originally posted by namorsubby
Correct if I'm.....well, incorrect, but don't Thor and Beta Ray both possess Godly speed/reflexes? Which should be more than enough to surpass Logan's or Creed's?
Going by showings, Wolverine is faster. No one has matched what I put up in the previous thread speed feat wise.
Wolverine hand movement is faster, Wolverine running speed is faster, Wolverine combat speed if faster (after images).
Its clear who is faster combat speed wise.
Originally posted by carver9
Going by showings, Wolverine is faster. No one has matched what I put up in the previous thread speed feat wise.Wolverine hand movement is faster, Wolverine running speed is faster, Wolverine combat speed if faster (after images).
Its clear who is faster combat speed wise.
....please, PLEASE tell me you're not trying to claim Logan leaves behind legit DBZesque after-images and not assume it's the artist illustrating movement.
I have faith, Carv. Don't let me down.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That was a low showing.Superman once fought a street level opponent named Shadowdragon. He could not lay a hand on him and even admitted Shadowdragon was too fast. That same Shadowdragon was beaten down by Lady Shiva pretty handily as I recall.
Do we see people take that as a clear representation of Superman's speed? No they don't. Logical fans realize that when a character that is much, much stronger than an opponent, that opponent would clearly have his other attributes played up. It's the only way for that opponent to survive.
I mean it was obvious when the writer said it was going to Thor's strength and power against Logan's speed and stealth.
And I think Thor meant to say Logan was faster than he thought (The statement that was cut off.). He definitely showed that he can counter his speed when he has to.
I'm taking a clear representation of it because 1). its not the first time it happened (deathstroke) and two, the way lady shiva use her speed compared to Superman is totally different. Kind of like when Superman blitzed batman and during mid flight batman grabs Superman and flips him off of a cliff. Two different ways of speed using.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
....please, PLEASE tell me you're not trying to claim Logan leaves behind legit DBZesque after-images and not assume it's the artist illustrating movement.I have faith, Carv. Don't let me down.
LOL, no one mentioned in this thread leaves behind DBZ after images the way they do BUT logan does leave behind after images (not DBZ style) during his fights which I again have shown you already.
Originally posted by Starscream MThe third one doesn't make sense. The English comprehension levels on these forums is atrocious. What would have been more plain is if Thor said "He is faster than me." But he clearly says, "He is faster than I--"
so you could read thor's mind now? is that one of your gifts, able to divine the unspoken thoughts of comic book characters? my, I'm envious...surely, it couldn't have been
"he is faster than I am"
"he is faster than I can react to"
"he is faster than I have faced before"
etc
Do you know why it's not any of your examples? Because if that were true, Wolverine wouldn't have gotten grabbed by his ankle and tagged by Mjolnir not just several panels later. I don't need to peer into Thor's mind to see the plain and blatantly obvious fact: Wolverine wasn't too fast for Thor to nail, several times.
Also, Thor has beaten every single speedster he's faced. All. Of. Them.
Originally posted by carver9
LOL, no one mentioned in this thread leaves behind DBZ after images the way they do BUT logan does leave behind after images (not DBZ style) during his fights which I again have shown you already.
facepalm
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed10MarvelTeam-Up26.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed14267.jpg
Guess Thor can leave behind "after images", too.
Originally posted by JakeTheBanknice...lets use comics from 50 yrs ago to represent how characters are today.
facepalmhttp://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed10MarvelTeam-Up26.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed14267.jpg
Guess Thor can leave behind "after images", too.
Originally posted by carver9I took something you were discussing with someone else and ran with it.......sorry, let me clarify:
I dont get the question because from what I see, they do utilize their speed. I posted scans proving this.
The nice gentleman you were conversing with said:
"So, basically, who has Thor beat with superspeed that's essentially a carbon copy of Logan/Sabes? Because any other being with superspeed "doesn't count" because it's a "different" kind of speed?"
and I was speaking of these characters thor has faced when I said:
"so when these characters combat each other h2h, they are not utilizing their superspeed towards h2h combat? Why? "
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
facepalmhttp://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed10MarvelTeam-Up26.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed14267.jpg
Guess Thor can leave behind "after images", too.
I never said Thor couldnt do after Images but again, can you show me him doing it in combat. Show me some fighting stuff like I showed you with Wolvy.
Originally posted by namorsubby
I took something you were discussing with someone else and ran with it.......sorry, let me clarify:The nice gentleman you were conversing with said:
"So, basically, who has Thor beat with superspeed that's essentially a carbon copy of Logan/Sabes? Because any other being with superspeed "doesn't count" because it's a "different" kind of speed?"
and I was speaking of these characters thor has faced when I said:
"so when these characters combat each other h2h, they are not utilizing their superspeed towards h2h combat? Why? "
If its not showing them using their speed are we suppose to guess that they are?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Why is anybody arguing with carver9 about Thor's superspeed reflexes? It took him years to be convinced that Superman can reach lightspeed+ travelling speed.... and that's assuming he ever admitted that in the first place! sneer
LOL, Good one. I never said that Superman couldnt fly at the speed of light in space, I said that he doesnt have the combat speed proving that he can fight at the speed of light.
How about you counter my argument over what we are talking about besides ignoring on panel showings and statements.
